11-12-2002 22:13									#1
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quote: Originally emailed by Togas Follow TEG recs with the warrior. If no reccomendation, move him North East along the mountain range for maximum view. Move the new warrior to the hills SW of Madrid to give us a better view. Keep warrior as the next item in queue. If worker finishes, have him start on a road. Thanks, --Togas

T.E.G. Warrior moved NE - uncovered Silks!
New Warrior moved SW - nothing new uncovered.

F11 - Legopolis is now size 2 - they must have good river terrain and/or wheat next to their city. We are still 1st in 8 out of 13 demographics. There are three civs with strong early production (we are 4th).

Madrid will expand in 2 turns. What is the plan for the warrior? Is he to trigger the huts? Defend the city? Explore? We need a clear decision on this quickly.

Suggestions for the name of our new warriors?

Togas - I hope you don't mind my posting the instructions from your email, I like quoting the orders in these reports.

T.E.G. - I followed Togas' requested with respect to the warriors, as I didn't see anything specific in your thread. Btw, does PlagueRat officially represents T.E.G.?

See this thread for screenshots, save, but please keep turn discussion in here.

	11-12-2002 22:21									#2
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Silks! They are in mess of jungle but would be accessible from a river city nearby.

A very good turn. Is the warrior in the queue a placeholder for a settler until we pop the good hut?

	11-12-2002 22:38									#3
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quote: Originally posted by ruby_maser Silks! They are in mess of jungle but would be accessible from a river city nearby. A very good turn. Is the warrior in the queue a placeholder for a settler until we pop the good hut?

I suspect it is, but only Lord Togas knows for sure. I'm more concerned with how we are popping the hut, and where the warrior will be when it is done.

Who is in charge of overseeing our Foreign intelligence? Someone may be able to draw some conclusions from studying the changes in the F11 screens and the scores.

	11-12-2002 22:58									#4
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quote: Originally posted by dejon I'm more concerned with how we are popping the hut, and where the warrior will be when it is done.

The hut must be opened by a warrior, not before a second warrior is in garrison in Madrid.

The difficult question is : do we wait until we have traded the very first techs, in order to get from the hut a more advanced tech (if we were to get a tech of course)?

	11-12-2002 23:11									#5
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quote: Originally posted by DAVOUT The hut must be opened by a warrior, not before a second warrior is in garrison in Madrid.

Sounds nice, but we don't have time. The city grows in 2 turns. Another warrior would take 4 turns. I think the best we can do is:

3550BC: Move the new warrior back into the city
3500BC: The city will pop the hut. We get whatever or barbarians emerge. If the latter, we fortify the warrior in Madrid.
3450BC: We defend Madrid from barbarians. The hill and fortification will aid in defense.

Any other ideas?

	11-12-2002 23:19									#6
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Cultural expansion pop the hut as the settling does ?

	11-12-2002 23:22									#7
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quote: Originally posted by DAVOUT Cultural expansion pop the hut as the settling do ?

Unfortunately, yes.

	11-12-2002 23:32									#8
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We must anticipate the worst case : 3 barbarians can kill a standard warrior. So, we must build the second warrior, because depending the tile where the barbarians would appear, he could have the final say.

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quote: Originally posted by DAVOUT We must anticipate the worst case : 3 barbarians can kill a standard warrior. So, we must build the second warrior, because depending the tile were the barbarians would appear, he could have the final say.

If worse comes to worse, having our warrior fortified in a city built in the hills and with the enemy attacking from the opposite side of a river give our warrior a defense strength of 2 (1 +.5 hills +.25 fortified +.25 river bonus) IIRC. The city has nothing to fear.

They wouldn't even attack the city probably since the barbarians now attack based on likelihood of success or failure. They do not think of the combined strength of all attacking at once. Our improvements might be at risk though.

	12-12-2002 00:00									#10
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quote: Originally posted by ruby_maser If worse comes to worse, having our warrior fortified in a city built in the hills and with the enemy attacking from the opposite side of a river give our warrior a defense strength of 2 (1 +.5 hills +.25 fortified +.25 river bonus) IIRC. The city has nothing to fear. They wouldn't even attack the city probably since the barbarians now attack based on likelihood of success or failure. They do not think of the combined strength of all attacking at once. Our improvements might be at risk though.

Well presented. I thought the odds were stacked in our favour, but it's nice to see it put in numbers.

If a barbarian attempts to head for the wheat and worker, we should be able to attack it as it passes the city. Same thing for the roaded cattle pastures to the west, but we can wait until a barbarian is actually on it before attacking, as no worker is threatened.

	12-12-2002 00:07									#11
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quote: Originally posted by ruby_maser If worse comes to worse, having our warrior fortified in a city built in the hills and with the enemy attacking from the opposite side of a river give our warrior a defense strength of 2 (1 +.5 hills +.25 fortified +.25 river bonus) IIRC. The city has nothing to fear.

Even small, the risk exist. Loosing the treasury (even small) and disrupting our production (even for a few turns) cannot be accepted. And if we want to protect our improvement (and we want), we need the second warrior.

At this stage, I would not take a chance out of ten. But our Supreme Despot is strong enough to take it !

	12-12-2002 00:30									#12
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quote: Originally posted by DAVOUT Even small, the risk exist. Loosing the treasury (even small) and disrupting our production (even for a few turns) cannot be accepted. And if we want to protect our improvement (and we want), we need the second warrior.

I agree with keeping the warrior in the queue until the hut result is known. If barbarians emerge, they'll still have 2 turns to complete. (3500BC) If the hut is something else, we can switch to settler. If we unleash barbarians, an assessment will have to be done of the threat level. How many are there? Are they N or NE of the hut (next to Madrid) or further away? I would only support leaving the warrior in the queue under the most dire threat. Our garrison warrior can mop up single threats on his own.

	12-12-2002 01:41									#13
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I am confident that Dejon has trained our Madrid home defense warriors and that should the Visigoths attack Madrid, they will be victorious.

We will keep them in the city in anticipation to see what the nearby barbarian village brings. I expect that we may change production in a few turns, but I await word from the Governor of Madrid on this issue.

--Togas

	12-12-2002 03:03									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Togas We will keep them in the city in anticipation to see what the nearby barbarian village brings. I expect that we may change production in a few turns, but I await word from the Governor of Madrid on this issue. --Togas

Scholars! What are my options?

In my old age, i need them explained well.

	12-12-2002 03:43									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Ninot Scholars! What are my options?

settler or another warrior are the options, I believe.

A settler can be the next unit without any turn delays. However, there are some among us of feel that there is a risk of barbarians being unleashed when the borders expand and the goody hut is popped.

	12-12-2002 04:59									#16
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what is the difference between the popping of the hut and the potential build of a settler or warrior?

	12-12-2002 08:19									#17
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It will take some hard building to get a road across the mountains to the Valley of Cows, let alone to the mysterious Jungle Squid that they say produces fabric for clothes. Our world looks very small. Will we have enough room to expand? The road to the next valley would have to be built over the mountain NE of Gold Mountain. I would rather leave the forest next to Madrid alone so the deer have somewhere to live and we can get a good supply of venison.

	13-12-2002 01:30									#18
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AOO.... aoo... aoo
ECHO... echo... echo

Nice up here.
We have been walking in the mountains for weeks now.
I can look down and I see apes in the treetops.
We are descending, but I don't know if we should enter the jungle yet.

OOC: Dejon, are you with your warriors and me on the TEG,
the expedition?

	13-12-2002 02:12									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Ninot what is the difference between the popping of the hut and the potential build of a settler or warrior?

If I understand you correctly, Señor Ninot, you are asking what one has to do with the other...

If so, some people were wanting to have extra defense in case popping the hut did result in barbarians... to protect the slaves and improvements around the city.

I, however, am not that concerned about it...
Who said that!?!
sorry, I couldn't remain unbiased
that darn font in the back of my head... anyway, IIRC, the odds of getting a map of the region, settler, military unit, gold, or barbarians is 20% each (provided no settler in queue of course)

	13-12-2002 02:36									#20
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quote: Originally posted by ruby_maser If I understand you correctly, Señor Ninot, you are asking what one has to do with the other... If so, some people were wanting to have extra defense in case popping the hut did result in barbarians... to protect the slaves and improvements around the city. I, however, am not that concerned about it... Who said that!?! sorry, I couldn't remain unbiased that darn font in the back of my head... anyway, IIRC, the odds of getting a map of the region, settler, military unit, gold, or barbarians is 20% each (provided no settler in queue of course)

no, thats not what I meant
althought that was a nice tangent.

i meant, what is the difference in turns between when the hut gets popped, and when we build either/or.

	13-12-2002 02:49									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Ninot no, thats not what I meant althought that was a nice tangent.

oh, you!

anyway, borders expand in 1 turn... warrior in 3
2 turn difference

	13-12-2002 03:00									#22
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so... your saying we are doomed?

how long would a Barbarian take to travel to our place?

We should get some beer ready.

	13-12-2002 03:06									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Ninot We should get some beer ready.

Maybe some lawnchairs too This may get a higher rating than the Waterfall Festival going on... the sacking of Madrid

Actually, I think the city is safe. Because of our good defensive position behind a river in the hills, our warrior will get a defensive strength of 2 instead of 1. But watch out, everybody else.

Of course, we'll have to laugh if its something else and we spent all so much anxiety (and beer) over it

	13-12-2002 05:09									#24
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quote: Originally posted by ThePlagueRat OOC: Dejon, are you with your warriors and me on the TEG, the expedition?

My firstborn son, Poupon, is in command of the warriors escorting T.E.G.. For the moment, Señor dejon is commanding the city defenders.

	13-12-2002 06:42									#25
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Ok, then Poupon is the one who can consult directly with me in the field... Where we should go, what to eat and not to eat, whom to kill and not to kill, etc.

Now, as we are walking down the moutain, I was thinking of entering the jungle (NE) but I'm not sure if its safe.
We just spotted a huge snake strangling a monkey in an opening there. We just named it Anaconda after one soldiers ex-wife, whom he left for safety reasons...

	13-12-2002 06:43									#26
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I hope your son takes my nephew Jordí with you, Señor Dejon. He needs to get out of the house now that Aunt Esmeralda has passed on and we don’t need him to run errands for her. Every time I try to mention to my pupils about the proper way to eat squid, I hear these “Aargh” noises followed by wood chopping with the stone axe. We’ve already got enough wood to last us for 6 months. I don’t think he’s very happy with my brother Ronní’s choice of business that he inherited.

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