12-12-2002 02:16									#1
	Legionaries Full PM-box? Change here!

I was reading the description for the Roman Legionaries in the civilopedia and it says that they are "Nearly unstoppable on the attack, the legion was relatively weak on defense." If thats true, why do they get an extra defense point and not an extra attack point or something? Anyone have any good ideas for making this unit more realistic?

	12-12-2002 03:02									#2
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

Given that there isn't a good way to represent all the fortifications Rome loved to build, i'd say its alright. Just picture them as tossing up walls wherever they stop.

	12-12-2002 03:30									#3
	Inflate your Upload Space

This probably doesn't even really relate to your question much, but I think I remember reading somewhere that each roman soldier carried a sharped pole or something similar and at the end of the day they used them to stick in the ground and help fortify their position.... mayby just strongpoints or something. Don't know if thats bunk or not, but your question jarred that.

	12-12-2002 07:15									#4
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

Another reason is that they didn't want to duplicate UUs. Having the legionaries and Immortals ADM switched would make sense, as the Immortals were bodygaurds and Legionaries made a huge empire.

	12-12-2002 08:05									#5
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

quote: Originally posted by ChaotikVisions Given that there isn't a good way to represent all the fortifications Rome loved to build, i'd say its alright. Just picture them as tossing up walls wherever they stop.

In the early days of Civ3, I had Legions also capable of some Worker duties: Build Roads and Fortifications.

T'was a passing fancy. Dropped it after a couple months.

	12-12-2002 22:13									#6
	Increase Your PM Length

Roman Legions were notorious for setting up camp in the exact same way everywhere they marched. Before they could rest after a full days march they literally built a compund with gates and walls from wooden pikes. This provided for an excellent defence when there camps came upon attack.

SUDES Latin for stake or pike. The primary of two latin terms for a palisades stake, used as a perimeter defense of an encampment. Also termed a VALLES, it was a wooden stake 4 to 5 feet long, tapered to points at both ends with a cut out center hand grip. Also used to create a palisade or picket defense in front of a position prior to an enemy’s expected charge or attack.

	13-12-2002 04:39									#7
	Full PM-box? Change here!

If all this is true, which I think it is because I have heard stuff about it too, then why does the civilopedia say they were weak defenders?

	13-12-2002 05:17									#8
	Suffering from ads?

Maybe IG really REALLY believes in the "best defense is a good offense" maxim?

	13-12-2002 05:20									#9
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

Probably because the Civlopedia was written by someone who really didn't know what they were talking about.

	14-12-2002 04:13									#10
	Got spare money?

quote: Originally posted by Ghengis-Sean Probably because the Civlopedia was written by someone who really didn't know what they were talking about.

more evidence is the Ottoman civ traits

	14-12-2002 09:21									#11
	Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

WHatever the civlopedia says... the point is, the Roman UU is one of the best UU in game.

	14-12-2002 11:05									#12
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

Agreed. Escorts? who needs escorts?

	14-12-2002 12:23									#13
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

Hmmm.

Did anyone bother to check what the Civilopedia says?

As of 1.14: 'The Roman Legionary is a highly-skilled swordsman good in both offense and defense.'

Sounds about right for what they do...

	14-12-2002 13:40									#14
	Re: Legionaries Support Apolyton

quote: Originally posted by SK138 I was reading the description for the Roman Legionaries in the civilopedia and it says that they are "Nearly unstoppable on the attack, the legion was relatively weak on defense." If thats true, why do they get an extra defense point and not an extra attack point or something? Anyone have any good ideas for making this unit more realistic?

Having read the above an idea might be to provide them the ability to make fortresses.

	14-12-2002 21:21									#15
	Suffering from ads?

quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Hmmm. Did anyone bother to check what the Civilopedia says? As of 1.14: 'The Roman Legionary is a highly-skilled swordsman good in both offense and defense.' Sounds about right for what they do...

I've read that too, but when you read the description the game gives for the unit, it says that they are relatively weak on defense.

	15-12-2002 01:42									#16
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

hi ,

actually those legions had a great defense , when they dug in for the night , ......

or the famous porky pine defensive formation , ......

a trained group of legionaires could withstand attacks from substancially larger groups , .......

have a nice day

	15-12-2002 02:48									#17
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

quote: Originally posted by SK138 I've read that too, but when you read the description the game gives for the unit, it says that they are relatively weak on defense.

Where exactly did you find the 'weak on defense' description?

	15-12-2002 03:17									#18
	Tired of ads?

Go to the civilopedia, then go to legionary. It gives you information about the units stats and stuff but there is also a button that says description. I think its on the right of the civilopedia screen. When you click that you'll find were it says their defense was weak.

	15-12-2002 04:11									#19
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Where exactly did you find the 'weak on defense' description?

hi ,

uh-oh , now we did it , we woken the legion

have a nice day