12-12-2002 09:53									#1
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The Explorer's Guild continues to follow the mountains towards the north, our worker labors on, and our 2nd warrior team retreats to Madrid just in case the neighboring villagers send barbarians to attack us.

New map

New updates on the F11 screen are here

--Togas

ADDED: I have added a web link that should fix the problem. Go to this web page to view the images.

Last edited by Togas on 12-12-2002 at 10:08

	12-12-2002 09:57									#2
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Drat! Yahoo Geocities is onto me. They're not allowing the images I post there to be viewed by outside sources because they believe that I'm simply using their site as a storage place for outside purposes.

Which is what I am doing, but I'm surprised the b*stards figured it out so easily.

Suggestions? Do I need to find another free host site? Do I need to just make a freakin' web page (and hope that none of the other teams surfs there accidentally? Or do I have to start sending all of my jpg images to Dejon to post for me?

--Togas

	12-12-2002 10:04									#3
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Your screenshots don't come up right away, but work fine if I simply put my cursor in the location bar and then press enter. Very odd, and obviously annoying. Maybe they check the HTTP_REFERRER on the way in, because it works when hitting them direct (not through a link).

	12-12-2002 10:06									#4
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We've slipped to 5th in production - they likely all built mines.

	12-12-2002 10:17									#5
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Atlantis has been renamed to Island of Bob. (Glory of War)

	12-12-2002 11:19									#6
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Look at Legopolis

i suspect cow, or floodplains

	12-12-2002 11:21									#7
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my order for Madrid is to keep production on warrior untill that hut pops

if the hut is good, switch to settler if possible

if hut is bad, finish warrior

	12-12-2002 19:20									#8
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quote: Originally posted by dejon We've slipped to 5th in production - they likely all built mines.

From some stuff I was reading about the demographics, production is figured as the total of all commerce, food, and shields produced by your cities minus the food consumed that turn. We are at 9... (3 shields + (4 food - 2 consumed) + 4 commerce = 9)

We essentially already have mines since the cow and the forest+game provide the same as despot-era mined hills. With most other civs still at size one like us, I think we are likely tied at 3 shield for most civs. Legoland may be getting more though.

I think they just edged us out in other areas. They may be focusing on commerce and building up their treasuries or be by rivers that they've managed to road. They don't have more food or they would be growing faster than us, and I don't think despotism allows any tiles to produce more than 2 shields or we could have mined the cow.

	13-12-2002 01:24									#9
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What's the plan for the next city? Cows, silk, or somewhere else?

	13-12-2002 01:27									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Thrumble What's the plan for the next city?

COWS!!!

...please

	13-12-2002 02:31									#11
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I agree
cows

	13-12-2002 03:06									#12
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Cows....
and I agree they probably minned it.

	13-12-2002 03:31									#13
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IMO the URL is WAAAAAAY too obvious. I could've guessed it after a couple of tries, if I knew you were using geocities. Eh, but ya can't complain. I can post on my website...

and oh yeah, Señor Dejon, they probably do check the http-referer altho mines worked on first try...

	13-12-2002 04:02									#14
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I would suggest City #2 be built on the tile NW of Gold Mountain and E of the Hither Cow. (i.e. the Nearer Cow). That way our cities are near each other, our territory is compact, and we can fit more cities in Cow Valley (has anyone noticed the river beyond the Cows?).

City #3 could be built SE of the Silk Jungle. Again that would allow for room to expand and a compact, easily defended realm.

	13-12-2002 05:18									#15
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quote: Originally posted by pikesfan I would suggest City #2 be built on the tile NW of Gold Mountain and E of the Hither Cow. (i.e. the Nearer Cow). That way our cities are near each other, our territory is compact, and we can fit more cities in Cow Valley (has anyone noticed the river beyond the Cows?). City #3 could be built SE of the Silk Jungle. Again that would allow for room to expand and a compact, easily defended realm.

I agree with your #2 site suggestion, however I prefer directly W of the Silk for #3 - no overlaps that way.

	13-12-2002 16:25									#16
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Dejon´s purpose seems fair to me

	13-12-2002 19:51									#17
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I third Señor Dejon's proposal; west of the silks for City #3 is best, IMH

	13-12-2002 20:38									#18
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It is not yet sure that the tile W of the silk is near a river.

Do we play at regent or monarch ?

	13-12-2002 20:40									#19
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quote: Originally posted by DAVOUT It is not yet sure that the tile W of the silk is near a river. Do we play at regent or monarch ?

Regent.

	13-12-2002 20:53									#20
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What is best : two cows in the same city, or two cities with one cow each ?

	13-12-2002 21:03									#21
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quote: Originally posted by DAVOUT What is best : two cows in the same city, or two cities with one cow each ?

Playing against humans - I think it is wise to keep our cities close together and to not waste any time looking for sweet spots or a way to divide up good tiles. *

Also, our second city is very important. It has to be able to be able to build on its own quickly (defense, temple), so I'd be happy to give it both cows.

*These ideas are not my own, someone (can't remember who) said much the same thing in our pre-game strategy discussions.

	13-12-2002 21:04									#22
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quote: Originally posted by DAVOUT It is not yet sure that the tile W of the silk is near a river.

Oops, you're right. I had my direction mixed up. I meant to say one tile east of the silks. But I might like to propose to the southeast as well.

Even without the orthogonal grid, I tried to map out the overlap with the assumption that city #2 will be located just east of the nearest cow in Cow Valley.

1.) city #3 east of silks -- we loses the river-bonus hills just west of where the slaves are currently working but have no overlap with the other cities. We also immediately get two grasslands to work.

2.) city #3 southeast of silks -- we have a mountain and jungle tile overlapping between it and city #2 but we keep the river-bonus hills. (note: this would also prevent us accessing what looks to be a second grassland tile just out of sight to the northeast until our borders expand)

	13-12-2002 21:14									#23
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City #3 southeast of silk has access to the second grassland.
But for city #3, since we are at regent, the lux is not yet urgent. I wonder whether we should not explore the W of the second cow before deciding.

	13-12-2002 21:18									#24
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quote: Originally posted by dejon I agree with your #2 site suggestion, however I prefer directly W of the Silk for #3 - no overlaps that way.

Oops, sorry, I meant directly E of the Silk. Looks like a couple of people interpreted it that way, too.

Where is T.E.G. headed next? The terrain to the NW and NE could easily sway this decision either way. There are many things more valuable than a hill with a river. There is also no rush on this, if we are agreed on the second city site.

Since no one else has offered any suggestions for the name of the second warrior, I suggest "Madrid Guard".

	13-12-2002 21:31									#25
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For discovering the greatest surface with TEG, either he follows the mountains ridge, or he starts full W, W, W, ...

	13-12-2002 21:35									#26
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quote: Originally posted by DAVOUT City #3 southeast of silk has access to the second grassland. But for city #3, since we are at regent, the lux is not yet urgent. I wonder whether we should not explore the W of the second cow before deciding.

I am against delaying the founding of a second city. The proposed site (NW of Gold Mountiain) provides everything we need. It also will border Madrid after expansion, and will only require 2 turns to get to by road.

	13-12-2002 21:37									#27
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Guard is traditionnally reserved for Elite corps. What about Madrid Brigade ?

	13-12-2002 21:39									#28
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quote: Originally posted by dejon I am against delaying the founding of a second city. The proposed site (NW of Gold Mountiain) provides everything we need. It also will border Madrid after expansion, and will only require 2 turns to get to by road.

My point is about city #3.

	13-12-2002 21:40									#29
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quote: Originally posted by DAVOUT City #3 southeast of silk has access to the second grassland.

I know it does... but not until we get a temple in their and the borders expand. To only have access to one truely food-productive tile until we put a temple in place will slow growth for that city. Putting the city directly to the east of the silks will allow it to grow faster, and if there is one grassland there, there may northeast of that which would keep us growing once the border expanded w/o having to chop it out of the jungle completely.

	13-12-2002 22:36									#30
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quote: Originally posted by DAVOUT I wonder whether we should not explore the W of the second cow before deciding.

Sorry, I didn't quote clearly. I was referring to this sentence. I thought you might mean before deciding on city #2.