12-12-2002 18:46									#1
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Has anyone had an opponents city flip and refuse it.

What happens and does the AI ever refuse to accept your city

	12-12-2002 18:59									#2
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That is never an option for me, so I don't know...

	12-12-2002 19:23									#3
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quote: Originally posted by TheStinger Has anyone had an opponents city flip and refuse it. What happens and does the AI ever refuse to accept your city

Someone else posted about this happening to them in another thread. That was the only time I've ever heard of it happening.

	12-12-2002 19:25									#4
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It does not look like accepting/refusing flip affect anything. Although some people claimed that attitude of civilization from which city is defected drops. Have not noticed that.
AI might refuse the flip. I never saw it myself, but somebody posted screenshot of such situation long time ago: advisor came to say that city <...> attempted to defect, but <...> refused to accept them.

	12-12-2002 19:27									#5
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On deity I've seen the AI refuse my worthless, size 1 cities in the middle of nowhere rather consistently.

	12-12-2002 23:06									#6
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I've refused a city before, can't remember the circumstances though. Af far as I can tell, it doesn't make any difference in the later calculations for a city wanting to flip. A number of turns later, the city wanted to flip again!

	13-12-2002 01:06									#7
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AI's refusing to accept city might have something to do with their OCN.

	13-12-2002 03:08									#8
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I think right after Civ3 came out and I bought it, IIRC a civ was very upset that I took their city. I can hardly remember the exact details tho... maybe a patch changed how the AI react.

	13-12-2002 12:15									#9
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I have seen this in a game where france was particularly dominant, a size 6 city belonging to me next to a 12 city belonging to france flipped but was refused.

It did this twice before i manged to get a university and cathedral in there.

I Never refuse cities when the AI flips to me even cities out in the back of beyond.

	13-12-2002 13:17									#10
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I Have seen it once,

ANd it was a really fine city to, they just did not take it. ****** arrogant iroquis basterd!!!!b I believe it was size eight or something

	13-12-2002 16:37									#11
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Accept it and then abandon it

	13-12-2002 17:37									#12
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maybe it depends of how their attitude is towards you, when there gracious the might be less willing to accept your city. maybe they didnt want the city because when they do thecity uses good tiles from their good cities (not that the A.I excells in micro-management).

	14-12-2002 03:19									#13
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Better system by far than Civ I, when a city would admire your prosperity, immediately flip without so much as a by-your-leave, and cause your democracy to crash cuz they were so p.o'd to BEGIN with!

	16-12-2002 03:06									#14
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hi ,

depending on its size and a whole bunch of other things you can keep it , but the best is to refuse it , it shall improve your relations with that civ and your reputation , and on top when one of your cities wants to turn you have a good chance that they shall refuse it , .......

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	16-12-2002 19:00									#15
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panag - do you have any info or a link showing that refusal really does improve relations? I never heard of that before.

	17-12-2002 04:20									#16
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quote: Originally posted by ducki panag - do you have any info or a link showing that refusal really does improve relations? I never heard of that before.

hi ,

, great there where some post about it , .......

like a zillion threads ago , ....... sorry but the search engine does not find them , .......

however it would only sound logical , ......

maybe some-one from firaxis can give an answer to that , .....

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	18-12-2002 19:58									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Datajack Franit Accept it and then abandon it

I think that would affect your rep with the other Civ though, because its the equivalent of razing it.

	19-12-2002 01:01									#18
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A city that flips to your side affects your relation to that civi. If you have a mpp with that civi, then they see it as a reason to break that.

If your city flips to them and you have a mpp, the civi will not accept it.

If the mood of the is cautious or less they will see it as an act of war. Other civis will think you betrayed that civi.

I have also notice that when a city is about to flip the AI puts tons of troops in it. Have not tested that, but someone could try it.