12-12-2002 23:13									#1
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Wich tech are we going to research after we discover b.Working?
Writing, aiming for the great library, or what?
LEt our sages discuss such an important matter here...

	13-12-2002 02:34									#2
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I think if we shoot for Construction, we can benefit

it will keep us on this track, and get us Iron Working as well, a benefit.

just my two cents.

	13-12-2002 02:45									#3
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I was thinking Pottery so that we may build graineries and grow our cities faster.

--Togas

	13-12-2002 03:08									#4
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Togas, could you provide me with the save, so that I could make some calculations please?

	13-12-2002 03:14									#5
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I say, having the ability to store our food better when my Wandering Family of Entertainers is out in the Wilderness would be a Great thing. But we need to be able to learn to read too.

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	13-12-2002 04:39									#6
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Masonry. Build walls and the Pyrimad (so we dont need those graineries)

	13-12-2002 04:56									#7
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who's are ambassador to Legoland. Shouldn't we be coordinating this... if possible?

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quote: Originally posted by GodKing Masonry. Build walls and the Pyrimad (so we dont need those graineries)

Seconded.

	13-12-2002 05:31									#9
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Pottery.

	13-12-2002 10:47									#10
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Pottery

	13-12-2002 14:35									#11
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We need an attack force ASAP !!

Search Warrior Code first

	13-12-2002 16:30									#12
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Warrior code would give us archers, and they are only good for attack, so if we are not planing on an early attack (I think we are not) we can delay it

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We need to first build techs that are vital to our expansion, protection, and production. We then should consider building techs that are valuable trade assets.
I hope that we can trade for Masonry, but we may be better off building it on our own. All of this depends mostly upon which civ(s) we are next to.

--Togas

	13-12-2002 22:23									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Nuclear Winter Warrior code would give us archers, and they are only good for attack, so if we are not planing on an early attack (I think we are not) we can delay it

They are also extremely useful in defence, even when we will have spearmen.

	14-12-2002 00:33									#15
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If we have an early attack from Glory of War, we'll miss the Archers....

	14-12-2002 00:55									#16
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If I've got the teams wrong please correct me but:

Glory of War -- China (militaristic, industrious)
... starts with Warrior Code and Masonry

Gathering Storm -- Egypt (religious, industrious)
... starts with Ceremonial Burial and Masonry

Legoland -- Carthage (commercial, industrious)
... starts with Alphabet and Masonry

Lux Invicta -- Ottomans (scientific, industrious)
... starts with Bronze Working and Masonry

Vox Controli -- Persia (scientific, industrious)
... starts with Bronze Working and Masonry

Neu Demogyptica -- Arabs (religious, expansionistic)
... starts with Pottery and Ceremonial Burial

Roleplay Team -- Spain (religious, commercial)
... starts with Alphabet and Ceremonial Burial

there is a similiarity among the other teams which we lack, but I'm not gonna tell y'all what it is

Interestingly, the only other team with Alphabet are our "good friends" Legoland. We may be able to dissuade them from trading it if we though it was in the best interest of our two nations to slow other teams along those lines.

Note: almost every team but ours is industrious and will get the faster worker rates we don't. We may need to expend some of our commercial "might" to finance a few more workers early on to make up for this.

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	14-12-2002 01:08									#17
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Glory of War has an early monopoly on Warrior Code, which they may not trade.

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Masonry has little value on the open market. We should be able to get it for a marginal cash output by telling other civs "EVERYONE has Masonry to offer. I can get it from the other civs for HALF that price..."

We left out Neu Dem. They're Arabia. They are expansionist and.... religions? What are their starting techs?

--Togas

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quote: Originally posted by Togas We left out Neu Dem. They're Arabia. They are expansionist and.... religions? What are their starting techs?

I thought new Neu Dem was Egypt They are up there as such. Are you sure about that?

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	14-12-2002 01:20									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Togas Masonry has little value on the open market. We should be able to get it for a marginal cash output by telling other civs "EVERYONE has Masonry to offer. I can get it from the other civs for HALF that price..." We left out Neu Dem. They're Arabia. They are expansionist and.... religions? What are their starting techs? --Togas

You're absolutely right, I didn't realize so many had Masonry. Expansionist Arabia will start with Pottery and Ceremonial Burial. Won't Glory of War start with Masonry and either Warrior Code or The Wheel? Since at least two civs have everything else, maybe we should be researching one of those?

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quote: Originally posted by ruby_maser I thought new Neu Dem was Egypt They are up there as such. Are you sure about that?

It says Arabia here

	14-12-2002 01:27									#22
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thanks, man

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quote: Originally posted by ruby_maser If I've got the teams wrong please correct me but: Glory of War -- China (militaristic, industrious) ... starts with Warrior Code and Masonry Neu Demogyptica -- Egypt (religious, industrious) ... starts with Ceremonial Burial and Masonry Legoland -- Carthage (commercial, industrious) ... starts with Alphabet and Masonry Lux Invicta -- Ottomans (scientific, industrious) ... starts with Bronze Working and Masonry Vox Controli -- Persia (scientific, industrious) ... starts with Bronze Working and Masonry Roleplay Team -- Spain (religious, commercial) ... starts with Alphabet and Ceremonial Burial

Since 5 teams have Masonry, we shouldn't pay more than 20 gold for it by trade. Alphabet is worth 50 gold now.

Warrior code is 30 gold worth now and we should research this first. This tech will place us in the path for Monarchy, our Roleplay first indicated gov, and so we'll have an attack force to defend us against barbarians and other civs like GoW.

I think, after Warrior code, we should try to research Writing in order to go for Map Making, and The Lighthouse, which could be build in a future city in a forest spot at the SE from Madrid (it looks as a very good site to have a powerfull coastal city).

We could acquire both Masonry and Pottery + money by trade, offering Alphabet from us.

	14-12-2002 02:07									#24
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I think I can agree with astrologix - we want to protect ourselves from the human civs which may be more aggressive, i.e., a good offense is the best defense. Masonry and Pottery will be cheap, and we have advantage of being one of two civs with Alphabet, we may be able to even do a one for two trade.

On the Alphabet issue of making a no trade deal with Legloland, I am against it. We may see a friendly civ without Alphabet early, and we need to use it to our advantage and not bind ourselves in any agreement.