13-12-2002 02:33									#1
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How do you get them, i cant land any where!

	13-12-2002 02:40									#2
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Until you get marines or beserkers (real name) you can't take them.

Make peace or the war weariness may get to you.

	13-12-2002 02:59									#3
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Demand it as part of a peace treaty.

	13-12-2002 03:06									#4
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	13-12-2002 03:54									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Jawa Jocky Demand it as part of a peace treaty.

That's a useful strat with all sorts of far flung cities, it's easier than sending transports all over the globe. Just demand them in peace, secure them, then go to war again.

	13-12-2002 04:39									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Carver Until you get marines or beserkers (real name) you can't take them. Make peace or the war weariness may get to you.

Couldn't you set bombard to kill and capture them that way?

	13-12-2002 04:44									#7
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Patience...

Either

1. wait for workers/units to move in next turn, or

2. wait for nukes and elim annoying workers/units, or

3. build marines, or

4. live with it and focus on other areas, like bribing another civ to attack the island city.

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	13-12-2002 05:00									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Couldn't you set bombard to kill and capture them that way?

But even if the city is empty you won't be able to capture it. No other units are allowed to go from the sea into an enemy city.

	13-12-2002 05:05									#9
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Carver,

True for one tile cities. Mazzz didn't say how many tiles these cities had. I was thinking 2..4 tiles.

If they are 1 tile cities, who cares. There are hundreds of other tiles to use to win the game. A 1 tile city will never have enough of anything to do more than take up colors on a world map.

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	13-12-2002 07:55									#10
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but they have ONE CITY left, thats on a one sqaure island! right now im 2 turns away from radio, and looking at some of the stuff you get from adance flight which is close to radio, i need aul-num-al-nim and oil, ive got LOTS of oil im persia, i have iran, part of pakistan and afganistan all of arabia and israel and half of the meditration sea including the suez canal, i have turek , greace and cypurs and a chunk of russia but and im at war with every one on and off some times everyone at once and im WAY AHEAD at the tech tree, i wan ICBM while that let me nuke evey other city one that map? do they alway work, i mean every else doesnt even have gun powder yet, every one is "furooius and in awe of me, i have every wonder so far now ones manged to build one, and they all hate me how can i fix that, and what the number next to the peace try after you sign it and you goto active there a nmumber every turn it goes down one, iv'e never got to 1 before im always at war! help!!!!!!! and i have 10000000 units in every city, i lose 1023 gold per turn so im there must powerful, develep,culural, and POOREST nation. You guys have any tips? please give me some help... sorry for the longness

	13-12-2002 14:16									#11
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Maybe you should build some money-making improvements? Like banks, marketplaces and courthouses. All those units cost money, spend some units on conquest. Remember that you don't need a large garrison in all cities, only in those who need it. Usually I have only 1 unit in most of my cities, cities of special importance(capitol, cities with wonders) have more. Border cities also have a stronger garrison than the rest. The rest of my army are divided between the front line and a reserve in case of invasions.

	13-12-2002 15:42									#12
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quote: Originally posted by mazzz but they have ONE CITY left, thats on a one sqaure island! right now im 2 turns away from radio, and looking at some of the stuff you get from adance flight which is close to radio, i need aul-num-al-nim and oil, ive got LOTS of oil im persia, i have iran, part of pakistan and afganistan all of arabia and israel and half of the meditration sea including the suez canal, i have turek , greace and cypurs and a chunk of russia but and im at war with every one on and off some times everyone at once and im WAY AHEAD at the tech tree, i wan ICBM while that let me nuke evey other city one that map? do they alway work, i mean every else doesnt even have gun powder yet, every one is "furooius and in awe of me, i have every wonder so far now ones manged to build one, and they all hate me how can i fix that, and what the number next to the peace try after you sign it and you goto active there a nmumber every turn it goes down one, iv'e never got to 1 before im always at war! help!!!!!!! and i have 10000000 units in every city, i lose 1023 gold per turn so im there must powerful, develep,culural, and POOREST nation. You guys have any tips? please give me some help... sorry for the longness

Start the new game on diety level. I can assure you wouldn't have such problems anymore

	13-12-2002 15:56									#13
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I presume that by meditration sea you mean the mediterranean sea?

If you are on radio andno-one else has gunpowder then I suggest that you start again but this time don't set the difficulty to the easiest level...

	13-12-2002 16:36									#14
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Hmm I guess to nuke or not to nuke isn't an option then

	13-12-2002 17:11									#15
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Just roll over them, he has too many units and a large tech-lead. How difficult can it be?

	13-12-2002 17:21									#16
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Just ignore it

	13-12-2002 18:28									#17
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wait a sec! if you have radio then you cant be to far away from aphibious warfare, stack 8 in a boat and go destroy it

	13-12-2002 20:35									#18
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Mazzz,

Research Amphibious War. Build 8 marines.
See how many it takes to take 1 tile civ.

THEN QUIT. There is nothing else to learn after you experience fighting with marines. You are too far ahead of AI. Raise the difficulty level and the game will suddenly become a whole lot more interesting.

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	13-12-2002 21:40									#19
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If you have other civs on the planet, go attack them with you thousands of units... If not, then get to marines and kill that city. If else, don't bother, start another game.

--Kon--

	20-12-2002 07:58									#20
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quote: Originally posted by mazzz but they have ONE CITY left, thats on a one sqaure island! right now im 2 turns away from radio, and looking at some of the stuff you get from adance flight which is close to radio, i need aul-num-al-nim and oil, ive got LOTS of oil im persia, i have iran, part of pakistan and afganistan all of arabia and israel and half of the meditration sea including the suez canal, i have turek , greace and cypurs and a chunk of russia but and im at war with every one on and off some times everyone at once and im WAY AHEAD at the tech tree, i wan ICBM while that let me nuke evey other city one that map? do they alway work, i mean every else doesnt even have gun powder yet, every one is "furooius and in awe of me, i have every wonder so far now ones manged to build one, and they all hate me how can i fix that, and what the number next to the peace try after you sign it and you goto active there a nmumber every turn it goes down one, iv'e never got to 1 before im always at war! help!!!!!!! and i have 10000000 units in every city, i lose 1023 gold per turn so im there must powerful, develep,culural, and POOREST nation. You guys have any tips? please give me some help... sorry for the longness

Are you playing the US?

Because if you are then it bears a striking resembelance to the real one, " 10000000 units in every city, i lose 1023 gold per turn so im there must powerful, develep,culural, and POOREST nation." ahhh the good ol' USA

	21-12-2002 05:25									#21
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Actually i would suggest reading the Fu*king manual first, followed by the 1.29 readme, finally CFC's newbie thread, and both CFC's and Apolytons FAQ threads. Then build some market places for cryin out loud. The last thing you should do is quit, you may have a bigger military than anyone else, but you have no knowledge on how to use it. Not that chieftain is hard by any definition of the word.

serb:

man that is cruel, this guy (or gal?) couldn't last past 2700bc on diety, unless this thread is a friggin joke. I can see him now when Xerxes shows up at his doorstep with 30 immortals

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	21-12-2002 20:04									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Mad Bomber 2700bc

The correct term is BCE just to let you know.

	21-12-2002 23:57									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Big Fish The correct term is BCE just to let you know.

Tell me you're joking.

	22-12-2002 01:50									#24
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quote: Originally posted by MiloMilo Tell me you're joking.

no, now the reserchers us BCE (Before the common era) and CE (common era).

	22-12-2002 02:36									#25
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Big Fish:

That is only for those idiots who try to remove all traces of religion in our schools. Or those who cant cope with the fact that we record history in relation to the birth of Christ. And finally tell that to Infograms and Firaxis, that is how the date is displayed in CIV 3 (at least in the good 'ol US of A)

	22-12-2002 13:36									#26
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Mazz : to have less people furious about you, you have to be trustworthy. When you sign a deal with another Civ, which should last some time (you trade a luxury, you sue for peace, for an alliance etc.), this deal will last 20 turns.
If you break it before 20 turns, you will betray the deal, which will make the others more weary of you. If you break these deals systematically, nobody will trust you anymore.

The numbers next to "peace" (if you clicked the "active deals" button) is the time you have to wait before going to war if you don't want to damage your reputation. The numbers next to all active deals represent how long they'll last.

For example, in the attached picture, we have a Mutual Protection Pact with Alexander, and we pay 8 gold per turn for this. The deal will last at least 12 turns, after this we'll be able to renegociate it, to cancel it, or to continue it if both parties consider it is still valid.
If we declare war to Alexander before the 12 turns are up (and before officially cancelling the MPP), we'll suffer a reputation hit.

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	23-12-2002 20:57									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Big Fish The correct term is BCE just to let you know.

Negative. The correct term for ancient world time is

BC

The characters 'bc' can be expanded by Christians to mean "before Christ".

AND the characters 'bc' can be expanded by followers of the Humanist Religion to mean "before common era".

This is the true politically correct jargon as neither religious group need to take offense. {naturally, as you know playing civ3, if I want to take offense, nothing you say can make a difference.}

Non-ancient world
Unlike the ancient world term, it doesn't seem anyone has coined a neutral label for this time.

'ad' works for Christians but Humanists take humbrage.

'ce' works for Humanists but is offensive to Christians.

Maybe what we need is the pair of 'bc' and 'ac': before christ and after Christ. With the polytheism of culture we would expect people to have difficulty with Monotheism in general and with the concept of "anno domino", year of our Lord in particular.

If said AC instead of AD, this might work for both groups. Christians would be able to mentally expand to 'after Christ the Lord', and Humanist could mentally expand to 'after Christ and...{insert some negative mental stream}".

Now the harder question: if you are going to go to all that trouble, why not fix the calendar at the same time? This 28/29/30/31 day months are dumb. And the names, Roman gods. If you want names for months, why not pick something totally neutral, i.e., the first 12 elements in the periodic table? Why not a better break of the months, i.e.,

month 1, 4 weeks, 28 days
month 2, 4 weeks, 28 days
month 3, 5 weeks, 35 days

repeat x 4

Thus would have a quarter like modern business. This would give 364 days/year. Then at the end of the 12th month, add 1..2 leap days to make the 365.#### days needed.

Too much trouble to correct habits? Then leave BC/AD alone. Either correct the whole year thing or nothing

Back to game mechanics. At least with 1.14 you can adjust the years, but NOT with default world. Like the scenario preferences, we need to be able to set years/turn for the normal generated new game.

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	23-12-2002 23:01									#28
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what pf said tbh, its just pedantic to be politically correct most of the time

	23-12-2002 23:09									#29
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"Maybe what we need is the pair of 'bc' and 'ac': before christ and after Christ"

Common thought at my grade school was B.C. meant "Before Christ" and A.D. meant "After Death". Proudly, I can say that I always dismissed that as, in gradeschool terms, "Poo"

	25-12-2002 02:08									#30
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Please tell me I didn't just hear someone say "humanist religion."