24-01-2003 20:06									#61
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Poland was in serious decline in 1683, anyway, and Sobieski himself was elected by the sejm who controlled, and paralyzed the country.
Poland later recovered a bit, but only because of political games played by a Saxon duke called Augustus, who joined the two countries in union in 1697.
You could create an Austrian or Barbarian army at the gates of Vienna in '83, but then again, how could you make sure that the Turkish player would besiege the town that very year?
And what if the Turksih player never sucseeded in capturing Hungary or the Balkans? Will Eugene of Savoy attack the Byzantines?

	26-01-2003 17:31									#62
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I truly think the map is ok. There is nothing wrong about it, and that coast of Asia minor looks fine. It is very hard to draw diagonical lines in civ2.


As for the battle of Vienna:

Since the Turks will be playable, the general intention of the Turkish army need to be simulated, not the battle itself. After the Turks capture a specific city,nearby Vienna, the Austrians will make their appearance. It is up to the Turks to defeat them, not nessesarily near Vienna.

Take a look at Red Front. The individual battles are not represented(f.e Kharkov) just the campaigns. I even captured a part of Norway with my cossacks.

	27-01-2003 15:37									#63
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quote: Originally posted by Valuk Poland was in serious decline in 1683, anyway, and Sobieski himself was elected by the sejm who controlled, and paralyzed the country. Poland later recovered a bit, but only because of political games played by a Saxon duke called Augustus, who joined the two countries in union in 1697.

it were his games to bring the final decline of Poland. He had good intentions, but the way He achieved the throne (by denying the election of the gentry - the king was being elected by the gentry not by the parliament,
and starting the civil war, by provoking the northern war which ended up with Russian protectorate over Poland...