14-12-2002 05:45									#1
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I have a strong feeling that many groups suspect that we have contact with ND. This is unavoidable. We might as well take advantage of the problems with the situation.

I propose we make it look like we have actually contacted Vox. This could be beneficial to both our civilization and Vox. ND will believe that Vox is nearby and whoever sees Vox will think we are nearby.

We can't make it obivous that we know where Vox is. Just make it look like a slip up in communication.

My proposal is to set up relations with Vox and make this a joint effort them.

How does that sound?

	14-12-2002 05:51									#2
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Furthermore, we can pretend Vox is on very friendly terms while dealing with ND and then using them as a bargaining tool.

	14-12-2002 05:58									#3
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Great. Now we just have to get Vox to go along with it.

	14-12-2002 06:10									#4
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If we are incredible manipulative enough, we can do this without Vox's approval. If we can successfully disinform everyone, Vox wont even know that they were used. That's just ideal scenario, but im thinking of something to that degree...

	14-12-2002 06:16									#5
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I think wat we wanna do is contact Vox ambassador ASAP and give very vague and false intention to potentially try a future alliance with them. Come up like we are dog wagging tails madly or a cat rubbing itself on a person it likes ya know. Then once this public image is portrayed with vox against ND, we just back out. Vox won't know what happened.

	14-12-2002 07:03									#6
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Nah, I don't want to play Vox like that. I believe they will be good allies.

	14-12-2002 08:44									#7
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I have another possible plan...make it look like this contact with ND is fake.

Not sure how yet, still thinking.

	14-12-2002 11:15									#8
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What significance would having it look like we haven't contacted ND yet? If someone finds either us or them, then that team can check the diplomacy screen and see that they have contact with us. However, the faux Vox alliance may be feasible, if done correctly. I leave it up to you to take care of this Apoc.

	14-12-2002 11:49									#9
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I think they need an embassy to see the contacts, Trip.

	14-12-2002 12:06									#10
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quote: Originally posted by punkbass2000 I think they need an embassy to see the contacts, Trip.

They do, plus they need contact with both of us, I believe.

	14-12-2002 12:27									#11
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Ahhh. Guess that shows how much research I've done in that area.

Anyways, I think it'll be much easier to convince NDE that we're allied with Vox than it would be to convince everyone else that we've not contacted NDE.

	14-12-2002 18:25									#12
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Who says that while the other civs in-game knowledge is restricted by the rules, that the players out of the game don't know??? Isn't it very plausable that either one of our team mates or someone from NDE has leaked this info?

	14-12-2002 21:04									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Apocalypse Nah, I don't want to play Vox like that. I believe they will be good allies.

We dont need to ruin Vox relationship in the process. If Vox doesnt know about it, it wont hurt em. We gotta convince NDE.

	14-12-2002 21:05									#14
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quote: Originally posted by WarriorPoet Who says that while the other civs in-game knowledge is restricted by the rules, that the players out of the game don't know??? Isn't it very plausable that either one of our team mates or someone from NDE has leaked this info?

Maybe from NDE. But Our team shouldnt have leaked any info. The diplomacy rules and guideline prohibits this.

	15-12-2002 14:34									#15
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I'm mearly pointing out that some aspects of the game are harder to keep secret than others, and perhaps some teams have secret previous or out-of game relationships...perhaps we should explore this last statement?

	15-12-2002 17:30									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Apocalypse I propose we make it look like we have actually contacted Vox. This could be beneficial to both our civilization and Vox. ND will believe that Vox is nearby and whoever sees Vox will think we are nearby.

I think that in general, it is a good thing to show that we have good relations with everyone. So this fits into that plan.

	16-12-2002 04:44									#17
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we gotta stop loggin on to #apolyton. Since NDE logs into public chat and doesnt talk in it since they are all discussing diplomacy on private chat, as an outsider, I'd be suspicious of NDE and Lux members since they are all zombified in public chat.

	16-12-2002 09:14									#18
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I think the Vox one will only work well if they know, if they don't and they get on to it they might just spoil the whole thing and no one will trust anything we say again...

	16-12-2002 13:20									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Calc II we gotta stop loggin on to #apolyton. Since NDE logs into public chat and doesnt talk in it since they are all discussing diplomacy on private chat, as an outsider, I'd be suspicious of NDE and Lux members since they are all zombified in public chat.

Just let them think that ND and we are very close... if they attack one of us, they'll have 2 opponents.

	18-12-2002 00:35									#20
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Well...it's obvious that we'll never be close now...more like bitter rivals...or big boxers feeling each other out before the main event...

	19-12-2002 02:01									#21
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I think NDE may not be friends with many of the Apolyton teams, they are from outside , from another channel /site.. them being German dosen't make a difference, though they might get on better with Trip with his german roots.

I agree if we get a fake or real alliance with Vox it will be useful, We can make it seem like we will trade them IW and they will help us with their great immortals. (not a bad real plan BTW)
It looks like we will need a couple of allies against ND and other possible hostile groups, such as GoW.

We could paint our alliance with ND in a good light, when we release this info to others, We can make out we are near an alliance with them.

It may be wise to tell our friendly 'allies' soon about our contact with ND, we need to know what politic dealings they have with them, we need all the info we can get.

I suggest we talk about ND to our close friends in about 8 turns, when we may be preparing for military action and nearly have IW. What do you all think?

	19-12-2002 09:50									#22
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We should feign ignorance knowledge of any other civs for now, until it doesn't matter (far into the future). For now, I think ignoring NDE is the best policy.

	19-12-2002 20:12									#23
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At this point, try for Warrior Code, but avoid border/terretory commitments beyond obvious sovereignty issues. "Stay out of our paint, and we'll stay out of yours." Also, there's no harm in being vague when you're not sure how things are going to turn up.