14-12-2002 23:59									#1
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This thread is for discussion of orders given, or to be given, by the Master Builder.

	15-12-2002 04:22									#2
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We should build The Pyramids up till the turn before completion as a placeholder. Reasons?

1. It should mess with the other team's heads.
2. When we pop the hut, we will have a chance to get a settler if we don't have a settler and aren't building one. If, however, we are building a settler when we pop the hut (or any others), we will have no chance at a free settler.

If you really don't want to use the Pyramids, just use a Merc instead. It'll accomplish 2, and will have the same turns-till-completion stat as a settler.

	15-12-2002 06:56									#3
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You know, Kloreep, I do like the idea of screwing with the other teams. I think the Pyramid as a placeholder builder will work just fine. Though, at the same time, do we really want the others to think we're building a wonder already? That may raise some ires...

	15-12-2002 07:05									#4
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I don't think anyone will believe that we are building a wonder this early anyway. So I would use the merc as a placeholder not the Pyramids.

Keep the "using-a-wonder-as-a-placeholder-to-trick-the-other-teams" idea around, might come in handy later, just not now.

	15-12-2002 08:56									#5
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The only problem is, however, that we can't build mercs yet. We won't have BW for 3 more turns. So, we can either use the Pyramids as a placeholder, or just go straight for the settler.

And, as Sharpe points out, no one is really probably going to believe us anyway. So, my final anlysis would be just go straight for the settler, and save the fake-wonder build trick for later in the game.

	15-12-2002 12:00									#6
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Sharpe has a good point. We don't want to do it too early, or no one will believe us and always think we're bluffing.

Still, why not use a temple? Works just as well as a placeholder, and gives a chance at a settler from the hut Conan found.

	15-12-2002 13:24									#7
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I do agree that we have to make sure goody hut benefits (or their possibilities) are maxxed - I would like to pop Conan's Hut only after (but right after) we set Pottery as our next reserach goal (to avoid getting it from the hut, should we get lucky). And I will make sure that Legopolis will be building something different from a settler when Conan pops the hut.

As for the wonder deception, I believe it is a good idea and we shall utilize it later on. I have a hunch that our landmass is not of the largest... The second (coastal) city is quite likely to be suitable for building The Great Lighthouse that could help us get out of here and dominate naval exploration for some time. We could pretend we try to build Pyramids (=not have a coastal city capable of building coastal wonders), while in fact switching to The Great Lighthouse just before completion. I would even go to such length that I would first prebuild the most shield-expensive city improvement, just before its completion switch to the fake wonder (Pyramids), and only just before the real goal (Lighthouse) would be about to finish, switch one more time. This may mislead others and let us build the Lighthouse unopposed... shall we need it, of course.

It may be a good idea to later start all our builds with a wonder, if possible - that would confuse others greatly and they may even stop paying attention later on... which would be good...

	16-12-2002 12:20									#8
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quote: Originally posted by ZargonX Orders for 3450 BC -------------------------------- -After completion of Warrior #3 in Legopolis, commence construction on Settler.

ZargonX, you should have put your orders here

	16-12-2002 12:28									#9
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Sorry, Tiberius, I wasn't keeping tabs on all my threads! My mistake!

	16-12-2002 12:42									#10
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No problem. In the beginning the one who plays the game reads most of the threads anyway, but later we could miss some orders if not they don't get in time to the Guidlines for the President/VP or to the Ministerial Orders thread.

	16-12-2002 17:34									#11
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Another thing I've noticed from playing a lot of games is that if you are a good distance from another Civ chances of a goody hut popping a settler or a city are increased. I've never had one when its been a small map or been close to another civ. Might be an indicator of our position if it pops a settler/city....

	17-12-2002 03:23									#12
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quote: Originally posted by redstar1 Another thing I've noticed from playing a lot of games is that if you are a good distance from another Civ chances of a goody hut popping a settler or a city are increased. I've never had one when its been a small map or been close to another civ. Might be an indicator of our position if it pops a settler/city....

Hmm... interesting.

Of course, wouldn't there be fewer huts and thus fewer chances on smaller maps?

	18-12-2002 20:56									#13
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quote: Originally posted by vondrack Also, the hill Conan is currently standing upon may be a great city site. I guess it would be able to "channel" the two bodies of water (correct me if I am wrong!), it would have a great defensive bonus by being upon a hill, a commercial bonus from the river, a fine game forest tile... no overlap with Legopolis... well, I would probably plop a city there right after founding the eastern coastal city.

I agree (he is referring to the hill Conan stood on in 3400BC).

	19-12-2002 02:26									#14
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When/where did he say that?? But nevertheless, I agree, too. It should be our 3rd city IMHO, the surroundings are looking good, both for food and prodution.

	07-02-2003 07:05									#15
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Wow, had a little trouble finding the Master Builder Discussion thread - never thought it was this far back !

I was chatting with Vondrack about a possible idea:

Operation "Southern Highway"

We would need to build an extra worker whose primary objective would be to lay down roads to the prospective city sites so that we can cut the travel time down by 2/3rds (priorities would be the cities that would be built first of course).

Another advantage of this would also be that the new cities could possibly have extra commerce available upon being built.

Downside: Our opponents or barbarians could also use the roads until they fall in our territory.