15-12-2002 19:10									#1
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Kenstein, glorious king of the Franks , rules the world in 1279.
This is the Mongol scenario in the CiC series, played at deity level without caravan rehoming, all objectives conquered. The previous record was held by Marquis de Sodaq (victory in 1302).

	15-12-2002 21:03									#2
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Well done, LaFayette!

Maybe I can return the favor by keeping Samson busy with another early landing attempt, as he has taken up the challenge. I'll be happy if he lets me hold onto the standard map record until Christmas!

	15-12-2002 21:44									#3
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Interestingly, I just finished this scenario myself.

Playing as the Franks, Deity level, no caravans.
All objectives conquered: 1250 AD.

The Mongol Elite Cavalry unit is tough to kill. I lost a lot of knights at Qaraqorum and didn't take it until I brought up some cannon.

Now playing 'Independence' as the Americans.

	16-12-2002 05:42									#4
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La Fayette recordholder during 2 hours and 34 minutes

	20-12-2002 08:46									#5
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Congratulations, La Fay... er... Samson!

Ah, my legacy slowly fades... first the Celts, now the Franks.

...or do I still have the record for total conquest, which my 1302 game was? (Not that it would take either of these results much longer to mop up the remaining cities, of course)

	20-12-2002 19:30									#6
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Marquis
I didn't touch the remaining cities, so, as far as I am concerned...

	20-12-2002 19:57									#7
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Marquis

In 1250 there were only 4 cities remaining, all Mongol. It took 3 turns to bribe and conquer these. Total conquest achieved in 1253.

	20-12-2002 20:58									#8
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I think that was the perfect place for the sticks-out-tongue smiley.

	20-12-2002 23:42									#9
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So much for going for any records here!

*STYOM throws CiC disk in the garbage*

	26-12-2002 01:32									#10
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Is there any way how to find out where are all the objective cities of a scenario?

I want to start as Franks, I have a feeling that Mongolia and Japan are somewhere east but...theoretically I wouldn't be obliged to know that and I could waste some resources by exploring the Sahara for example.

	01-01-2003 01:35									#11
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I think with the records you should register if the map was played the first time or not. It is a lot different if you know the map: after I exchanged maps with Mongols, I hoped the arch of south chinese cities and Samarkand or Delhi are connected by roads and that I will be able to use my big army for farther conquest. But now I found out my big army is for nothing

Samson, do I have a chance to beat your record? It is 1233 and Samarkand will be taken soon, Shachou and Ning-hsia were bribed. (BTW, that stupid chinese AI sucks. They ignore me! With Ning-hsia I supposed I would bribe a lot of units preparing to counterattack and take the Shachou back, but there were one Light Infantry only... A year ago I tried the Rome scenario and it was quite different. AI had more units and produced some resistance).

Now I am able to realize many errors in my game:
not using ship chaining for a while in the beginning
Cathedral of Constantinople not sold immediately after Mike
I cumulated too much of gold in the beginning, I tried not to buy a shield expensively, i.e. for 4 or 3 gold. I should rushbuy faster
too much of assasins was built in the beginning: they are good only against cities on rivers or hills
maps are exchanged with Mongols a little bit late
I should send Envoys to the East sooner.
I should get science bar higher so that I could get Mettalurgy in 1 turn after I would get Advanced Gunpowder (in any manner).

(ST, waiting for cannons two turns later)

Last edited by SlowThinker on 01-01-2003 at 01:50

	02-01-2003 05:21									#12
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20 turns played by ...Slow Thinker

Now you MUST play this one to the end, ST!!!!

(it shouldn't be too long if you are already in Samarkand after 20 turns)

	03-01-2003 01:22									#13
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quote: Originally posted by La Fayette Now you MUST play this one to the end, ST!!!!

Very well, sir!
But in the summer. Now I will ski. (Pls read the e-mail)

	03-01-2003 04:29									#14
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My Assasins don't have a vet status...
Veteran status of Missiles(?)

	04-01-2003 04:42									#15
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quote: Originally posted by SlowThinker ...that stupid chinese AI sucks. They ignore me! With Ning-hsia I supposed I would bribe a lot of units preparing to counterattack and take the Shachou back, but there were one Light Infantry only...

Oh, these Chinese! They are not so peaceful as I thought. They dispatched quickly a group of bloodthirsty slayers on camels against me. I didn't wait so that they attack first and I hit when they tried to draw up their formation. They were caught and didn't defend very hard.

	06-01-2003 04:49									#16
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Tell me something about your games...

This was (is) my game:
In the beginning, 4 NorthWest cities built Mike (it was my only wonder not taken by conquest), Constantinopolis and Belgrade built barracks (it were my only barrack built up to Kashgar, all other barracks were taken with cities).
I was a little bit slow in this stage of game: Nicaea were captured in 1216. Then my main army headed directly to east, side cities in the middle east were taken later when my cities with barracks weren't obliged to strengthen my main army.
I never tried to exchange maps with Turks, maybe I should try it (was it possible? were there techs to give?). Later I exchanged maps with Mongols,then Chinese.
Three diplomats were dispatched from Russia to Shachou and bribed it in 1231. I bribed quickly also Ning-hsia, built barracks and started to build cannons and a new big army.
The army number 1 were disbanded around Samarkand and about 15 assasins with a support of Envoys are heading to SouthWest China now.
Another point of my interest is Korea: I wanted to bribe it and start a contest to Japan, but a Japan caravel is going around - it will be bribed now in place of Korea.
Now it is 1238, Chinese just bribed Alamut (sic!) and took Mettalurgy.

	06-01-2003 10:18									#17
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Go on ST
You seem to be doing pretty well.
I hope samson will be reading you and giving good advice, but he stopped posting suddenly about a month ago, so I guess he's busy elsewhere (perhaps tearing another game into pieces? ).

	06-01-2003 15:26									#18
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And your game, La Fayette?

Edit: I guess I have a chance to finish about 1247, but anything may happen...

Last edited by SlowThinker on 06-01-2003 at 15:35

	07-01-2003 03:22									#19
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Well, IIRC I finished in 1279, about 30 years later than what you seem to be expecting.
I think that the key to early victory in this scenario is to get quicly to the east, and it seems you managed that much better than I did (perhaps even better than samson ).

	19-01-2003 04:23									#20
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I am done, my first Civ2 game is finished :
1244: last 8 objective cities was captured

I don't think it should be counted as a record, since I reloaded a lot. I don't mean the combat results , but typos etc. Also I found out that the easiest way how to find remaining cities left behind in disorder or in famine status is to press Enter at the end of a turn .
Also I finished with a poor reputation.
A big advantage was that I knew from the samson's game that it WAS possible to finish the game at 1250; otherwise I would have expanded more slowly.

On other side I played Mongol scenario first time and so I didn't know the map.

Anyway I guess it would be possible to finish the scenario about 1235 without my mistakes (see my post with a list of my (known!) errors) and with the knowledge of the map.

Attachment: in_a1244 begin.sav
This has been downloaded 0 time(s).

Last edited by SlowThinker on 19-01-2003 at 04:30

	19-01-2003 04:32									#21
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quote: Originally posted by SlowThinker I am done, my first Civ2 game is finished : 1244: last 8 objective cities was captured

Really, ST; the absolute first game finished??

Well, that deserves a party

...

Very impressive results, too!!

Monk

	19-01-2003 05:52									#22
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Monk,
thank you for hiring that band...
In fact the game wasn't finished: I suppose I would have to capture the remaining cities to get some final screen (or animation?).

	19-01-2003 14:15									#23
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GREAT game, ST

Beating samson at first try is really an accomplishment
(I know what I am talking about )