17-12-2002 05:38									#1
	So who will it be 2004? Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

Democrat candidate 2004, in case your dense enough not to figure out from the poll options what I'm talking about. I think that Kerry will be chosen somewhat arbitrarilty, but I'm not sure. I think its basically him or Daschle (after all, Daschle already thinks he's president, so why not elect him? ) Leiberman is a distant third.

	17-12-2002 05:44									#2
	Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

it'll be Kerry. Leiberman won't run.

	17-12-2002 05:45									#3
	Support Apolyton

i wish someone had a statistic of people who didnt vote gore because leiberman was jewish. i bet you it's higher than you'd think.

	17-12-2002 05:47									#4
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

quote: it'll be Kerry. Leiberman won't run.

I think there will be a good chance Lieberman will give it a go. He might not go all out, but he'll run, just to keep his name in the limelight, in case he wants it in 2008 (if he thinks he can't win in 2004).

	17-12-2002 05:49									#5
	Increase the size of your Attachments

quote: Originally posted by UberKruX i wish someone had a statistic of people who didnt vote gore because leiberman was jewish. i bet you it's higher than you'd think.

Hah. No such study exists, because the politically correct Democratic party would never admit to having anything resembling a racist constituency.

... of course, the Republicans wouldn't exactly brag about that either, but, then again, they've never bothered to put a woman or a minority on the ticket.

	17-12-2002 05:54									#6
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

Oh I forgot Dean and Sharpton. But neither has a realistic chance.

	17-12-2002 06:12									#7
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

gore will return...

	17-12-2002 06:21									#8
	Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

Howard Dean is as realistic as any of the others in the Poll.

	17-12-2002 06:57									#9
	Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

quote: gore will return...

Yeah, and Creed is a good band

	17-12-2002 07:25									#10
	Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

quote: Originally posted by jdd2007 gore will return...

Gore's out. It was announced.

	17-12-2002 07:31									#11
	Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

He still might pull a Perot. "I'm in! No, wait, I'm out! No, wait, I'm ****ing insane!"

	17-12-2002 07:43									#12
	Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

I don't think Gore will run this time. He will wait until after Bush is assassinated in Dallas in 2003, **** Cheney assumes office and gets us deeply entrenched into an unwinnable war in Iraq. Then Gore swoops down in 2008, wins the presidency, escalates and then ends the war, wins a second term by a landslide and then resigns in disgrace after a lengthy scandal.

Not that anything is cyclical.

Last edited by Boris Godunov on 17-12-2002 at 07:56

	17-12-2002 08:07									#13
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

quote: Originally posted by Fez Gore's out. It was announced.

That's where the "will return" comes from. He'll return to the race for the nomination.

	17-12-2002 08:22									#14
	Put an end to popups!

Gephardt


Mainly because Gephardt as a rule, sides with Bush. Bill Clinton said himself that the country as a whole is slightly right of center. I think Gephardt would be a person to sway Independent voters like me.

	17-12-2002 08:22									#15
	Increase the size of your Attachments

Something I've allways wondered about.
I know a president can only do two terms, but that does mean in a row, doesn't it?
Is Clinton(he's still young enough) not allowed to run again?

	17-12-2002 08:25									#16
	Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

quote: Originally posted by alva Something I've allways wondered about. I know a president can only do two terms, but that does mean in a row, doesn't it? Is Clinton(he's still young enough) not allowed to run again?

2 terms period. Sorry.

	17-12-2002 08:26									#17
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

quote: Originally posted by UberKruX i wish someone had a statistic of people who didnt vote gore because leiberman was jewish. i bet you it's higher than you'd think.

I bet you it's lower than you think, but they're all conservative anyway so it doesn't matter.

Liebermann won't win because he's another of these quasi-Republican Democrat. The electorate showed clearly that they have no interest in fake republicans. The only competitive election is real Democrats against real scumbags, er, Republicans.

	17-12-2002 08:29									#18
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

quote: Originally posted by Kepler I bet you it's lower than you think, but they're all conservative anyway so it doesn't matter. Liebermann won't win because he's another of these quasi-Republican Democrat. The electorate showed clearly that they have no interest in fake republicans. The only competitive election is real Democrats against real scumbags, er, Republicans.

Please remember that what we saw in the last election, and what we will see in the next, is not who's base gets out the more votes, but which way the independents sway. If the election was held today, I would bet real money that the independents would swing towards Republics for the same reason I mentioned about, the country as a whole is just right of center.

	17-12-2002 08:31									#19
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Gephardt isn't a conservative, though. He's far more left than Edwards and Leiberman. He's probably the most liberal named on the list, except for Hillary Clinton (ok, and Babs, but she doesn't count).

	17-12-2002 08:37									#20
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Gephardt isn't a conservative, though. He's far more left than Edwards and Leiberman. He's probably the most liberal named on the list, except for Hillary Clinton (ok, and Babs, but she doesn't count).

Yes that is true, but I will say that his voting track record as of late has been more conservative, or at least centrise.

	17-12-2002 08:49									#21
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

quote: Originally posted by Thrawn05 the country as a whole is just right of center.

Wrong.

The electorate who show at the polls now are slightly right of center. That's why the GOP has to fake being roughly centrist during the campaign, then wheel out the insane extremist policies afterwards when the people are back at work (what's left of it) and not paying attention.

Meanwhile, the electorate that's self-selected out of the process -- about 50% of eligible voters in the country even in a Prez year -- are overwhelmingly young, poor, or minority, and are far left of center. They don't vote mostly because there's just not much of a compelling choice between a centrist Dem party who just wants them to vote and then disappear into the woodwork, and a fanatically rightwing party that believes, via atavistic racist and/or randian drivel, that all the social "losers" are undeserving subhumans who don't deserve to be counted as part of society.

	17-12-2002 08:49									#22
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

quote: The electorate showed clearly that they have no interest in fake republicans.

Then why was Clinton so popular?

I voted for Edwards. The Democrats need to regain the center and he's the best chance for them to do that.

	17-12-2002 08:51									#23
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

Edwards is so boring though. Not even the quirky stiffness that I found kind of endearing for Gore. Just flat out, ordinary boring.

	17-12-2002 08:52									#24
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

All the Democratic candidates are boring, Boris. That's why they're in deep ****.

	17-12-2002 08:53									#25
	Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

quote: Then why was Clinton so popular?

He wasn't. He didn't even get a majority in either election. He managed a plurality because the alternative candidates were SO ghastly.

	17-12-2002 08:54									#26
	Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten All the Democratic candidates are boring, Boris. That's why they're in deep ****.

Hillary Clinton isn't boring. Say what you will, not boring. Certainly not any more so than Bush.

Howard Dean isn't boring, either. So far, he seems to be my guy. I think this country needs a good New England center-leftist.

	17-12-2002 08:56									#27
	Remove this text

quote: He wasn't. He didn't even get a majority in either election. He managed a plurality because the alternative candidates were SO ghastly.

George H.W. Bush was far better than any of the candidates in the last election, except possibly McCain. I think you give Clinton too little credit.

	17-12-2002 08:58									#28
	Full PM-box? Change here!

quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten All the Democratic candidates are boring, Boris. That's why they're in deep ****.

Agreed. We need a firebrand who will say, "oh yeah, liberalism is TERRIBLE! Social security and workers rights, and womens rights and safe workplaces and the voting rights act and eliminating redlining and healthy food and drug regulations are TERRIBLE!!!"

For 20 years the good guys haven't had one ball between them. One day they'll get a genuine spokesperson to say it like it is, and then you won't be able to find a Republican north of the Mason-Dixon line.

Until then, the DNC will keep going down on their wealthy and corporate donors and not put up a decent policy for change, and naturally that will generate sub-zero interest among people who actually want to move the country forward.

	17-12-2002 08:58									#29
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

quote: Hillary Clinton isn't boring. Say what you will, not boring.

I think she's boring. I've never seen the women exhibit any sort of personality trait outside of unchecked ambition. She wears the same fake perma-smile at all times. She makes Gore look downright loose.

	17-12-2002 09:01									#30
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

quote: For 20 years the good guys haven't had one ball between them. One day they'll get a genune spokesperson to say it like it isn, and then you won't be able to find a Republican north of the Mason-Dixon line.

Liberalism is dying, Kepler. Pushing the Democratic party to the left will just give the Republicans an iron grip on the government. Do you really want that to happen?