17-12-2002 19:12									#1
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Well, we got Magellan's but missed out on Darwin's. Inquiring minds want to know --

WHAT WoW IS NEXT??

I'm at work and can't open the files here, so I don't know what's still available. In general, I would recommend we boost our trade arrows (assuming Newton's is available) or happiness (critical to a succcessful Democracy).

Since I don't have enough info to post a poll, let's just have a lovely discussion thread. If cavebear or one of the ministers can contribute a listing of WoW status (which are gone, which are available, which are coming soon), it would be a big help.

But for now -- random opinions are encouraged! (as long as you promise not to support the Eiffel Tower ).

	18-12-2002 01:27									#2
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quote: Originally posted by -Jrabbit as long as you promise not to support the Eiffel Tower .

Why ? There is a fine video !

	18-12-2002 01:40									#3
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The most recent Wonders built:

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This has been downloaded 43 time(s).

	18-12-2002 01:48									#4
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Why not WoWs involving more happiness ?
WomanSuffrage, Cure for cancer ???
... or production : HooverDam...
SETI is toofar for beeing usefull now.

	18-12-2002 02:24									#5
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I like the United Nations.....CFC is a waste IMO but for a space ship game its not too bad i guess...


sufferage if our army is going to do more than sit on its @ss....

hoovers is a must......and seeing as were scientists, this particular hawk enjoys the manhattan project , i though we could bomb the japanese with it , not once..but twice ....

	18-12-2002 02:35									#6
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I like the UN too, is it possible to have UN and Sufferage going at the same time?

	18-12-2002 04:11									#7
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that would commit alot of resources..unless we use freight for an instant wonder doh!

	18-12-2002 04:56									#8
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I very strongly favor Hoover's (with Factories in all our more productive cities). We currently have 6 Freight parked at CAPITOL, ready for building a Wonder, so we can have one Wonder for little new cost. We have 4 cities on the home island building more Freight, too (but not very quickly).

The UN could be very valuable to us in a defensive posture as we could keep forcing enemy civs to agree to peace treaties. We should be able to research the Communism tech to get at UN as soon as we finish discovering Refining.

Women's Sufferage would be nice, but not as valuable as Hoover's and UN.

	18-12-2002 17:01									#9
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After checking the 1814 saved game, I figure we can get whatever wonders we need. We have a treasury of +4000 gold as well as a surplus of over 200 gold/turn, as well as a fleet of 'vans.

I recommend going for Women's Suffrage, to help our armies abroad, and to hurt the Celts. Next up are Hoovers, to boost productivity. Isaac's may be helpful, although it will only provide another 34 beakers a turn. We can get far more for shipping 'vans around the world.

UN will be a big plus to force peace on our MGE opponents.

SETI Program will drastically increase our science rate.

The largest benefit from CfC is a reduction of luxuries required to maintain cities under democracy, inflating our science production.

I would rate them in order of importance:

Hoover, UN, SETI, Women's Suffrage, Newtons, CfC
and of course, Apollo's

	18-12-2002 21:37									#10
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we're getting a surplus of gold each turn? Adjust the science rate up!

	18-12-2002 22:10									#11
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Hoover & UN

	18-12-2002 22:23									#12
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Hoover's for the production boost. Suffrage, since it's available now - it will be easier to transport troops and warships to protect our trade and other interests overseas.

The good thing about CfC is that it would help WLtP days, if we are still in a growth through luxuries mode.

UN is always a necessary benefit, especially so it doesn't fall into the hands of an AI.

	19-12-2002 01:47									#13
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Ok for UN, but with Celts not so far, we must avoid Manhattan project !
Isaac's is not interesting in our game : we have not a real science city.

	19-12-2002 02:25									#14
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what about manhattans....or are we keeping this devil under wraps? a nucleur deterrant is always a good thing

	19-12-2002 02:40									#15
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quote: Originally posted by War4ever what about manhattans....or are we keeping this devil under wraps? a nucleur deterrant is always a good thing

Keeping it under wraps...

	19-12-2002 05:49									#16
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thats a shame...not sure i have playeda game that late where i didint' see manhattans

	19-12-2002 06:25									#17
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We should make a beeline toward the big Dam and towards UN, this will put us in a MUCH better position than where we are currently. Hopefully Manhattans won't have to be built.... We should also get the SETI program quickly too, if possible.

Do what will get us to AC fastest is my vote.

	19-12-2002 07:29									#18
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quote: Originally posted by CannonFodder We should make a beeline toward the big Dam and towards UN, this will put us in a MUCH better position than where we are currently. Hopefully Manhattans won't have to be built.... We should also get the SETI program quickly too, if possible. Do what will get us to AC fastest is my vote.

I agree. I think we are going to have a hard time getting a SS built at this rate.

	19-12-2002 08:31									#19
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well the production in our empire is lacking....lets pick it up a pace.....hoovers is #1 IMO....and then we take what we need from there

	19-12-2002 18:30									#20
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OFFICIAL SCIENCE MINISTRY COMPILATION OF WoW OPINIONS

The Ministry sees a strong majority of the ppl wanting Hoover's Dam as our next WoW. The Minister strongly endorses this point of view, which confirms earlier threads on this topic.

We will poll among the other candidates (Apollo, UN, Women's Suffrage, CfC, etc. after the next session. For now, our clear goal is to reach Electronics and immediately build Hoover's Dam.

	20-12-2002 02:21									#21
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by the way, just noticed where your from....do the ferrets own one side of chicago and the mings the other lol

	20-12-2002 04:19									#22
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H Tower-

We have 20 tax 30 lux and 50 science. Dropping from 20 tax to 10 tax halves the money we earn, giving us a surplus of 50 gold rather than 165.

I'm not sure if this is my jurisdiction or our trade minister. Should we post a poll?

	20-12-2002 05:25									#23
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quote: Originally posted by obiwan18 We have 20 tax 30 lux and 50 science. Dropping from 20 tax to 10 tax halves the money we earn, giving us a surplus of 50 gold rather than 165. I'm not sure if this is my jurisdiction or our trade minister. Should we post a poll?

I'll be playing tomorrow night, so a poll should wait until we see the new situation anyway. I will, however, be watching the tax rate returns each turn to make sure they are maximized. Right now, raising the science rate to 60 would still leave us at 4 turns per tech, so we wouldn't gain anything by lowering our tax to 10. Lowering the luxury rate below 30 causes considerable unhappiness.

	20-12-2002 05:32									#24
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Well leave it where it is , but lets work on shields.....btw how many engineers do we have running around fixing our top cities?

	20-12-2002 18:27									#25
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quote: Originally posted by War4ever by the way, just noticed where your from....do the ferrets own one side of chicago and the mings the other lol

Nahhh... It's a combined Fortress of Solitude strategically placed north-northwest of the city.

You just now noticed?

	20-12-2002 21:46									#26
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Alright cavebear, fair enough. I believe that usually the trade minister is in charge of adjusting the science/tax/lux bars


Don't worry War, I plan on knocking down at least half of the fortress a week from today. The Ming half will tumble

	21-12-2002 02:24									#27
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Htower..... go get em

Jrabbit....i knew you lived there...i guess i never put it all together though when you were posting....

imagined you flying to mings each friday for beer and gaming.....