17-12-2002 19:56									#1
	PTW. The Equivalent Of TOT, or CTP ? Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

Do you expect the gaming community will get a true sequel to Civ II MPG ?
Play The World isn't it.

Any thoughts?

	17-12-2002 21:10									#2
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The sequel will be Civ4. I think that they learned their lesson and will include MP from the get-go.

	17-12-2002 21:56									#3
	Re: PTW. The Equivalent Of TOT, or CTP ? Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand Do you expect the gaming community will get a true sequel to Civ II MPG ? Play The World isn't it. Any thoughts?

They haven't finished patching it yet, there's another one on the way. Maybe you should give it a bit more time before passing judgement. The next one might just fix it.

Myself I could care less, I can't see ever playing online. I'd probably have a hard time finding someone who wants to play for several days straight. Besides, I like playing my mod better.

	17-12-2002 22:47									#4
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I think, with a few more patches, and some time for the MOD community to stabilize and mature, PTW can be a good heir to the Civ2 legacy.

I'm kind of worried about the future of TBS games, though.

	17-12-2002 23:18									#5
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quote: Originally posted by FNBrown I think, with a few more patches, and some time for the MOD community to stabilize and mature, PTW can be a good heir to the Civ2 legacy. I'm kind of worried about the future of TBS games, though.

I agree, at least with the first part. Everytime there's a new patch/XP I get more option/ideas for things I can do to my mod. We're starting to get a lot of flexibilty with the editor capabilities the way they are. There could be more, there always could be more, but as time goes by I think we'll start see something interesting things from the game.

	18-12-2002 03:27									#6
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I think PTW will be it. It isn't yet, though.

	18-12-2002 04:06									#7
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I'm still hoping PTW gets fixed and will be the true sequel of Civ II MP. It is so far a disappointment, what concerns the multiplayer part. The SP part is awesome, it's great fun indeed, I give it 9 out of 10 in its current state, but MP ... . Even with the current, 1.14 patch it's far from being ready. Still matchmaking is hard, and there are lots of connection problems and a couple of nasty bugs reduce the fun even for PBEM games.

As for "learning lesson"... I doubt. Civ2 was released as pure SP game first, with 2 lousy scenarios and no scenario editor. Same with Civ3. I have no hope that Civ4, if it ever will be released (I have doubts), will have MP from the start.

	18-12-2002 04:21									#8
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I see PTW as a game that must appeal to TOT or CTP, games I have no experience playing.
It's just that from what I read, it was falling short of MPG people's expectations. Maybe I'm wrong.

	18-12-2002 06:38									#9
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Slowhand, have you tried PTW? While the MP isn't quite there yet, for many people it is quite playable and fun (unfortunately there are people who can't get it to work (those behind firewalls they don't control for example) and it can be laggy). I'm convinced that Firaxis will fix this for most people.

	18-12-2002 07:01									#10
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand It's just that from what I read, it was falling short of MPG people's expectations. Maybe I'm wrong.

True, it is falling short of MPG peoples expectations, the way PTW is now, I agree with them.

But, it may never be their cup of tea, from what I've read, they want it to work the same as MPG, which it never will.

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	18-12-2002 10:10									#11
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Then tell Firaxis what's needed! (not that I have a clue)

Gotta give them credit for ongoing improvement thus far...