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When Kazantzakis claimed at the end of Askitiki that "even this 'One' does not exist," his emphasis was not on a nihilistic concluding void but on the metaphysical 'One' or 'abyss' that lies beyond ('meta') the material realm. As this 'One' lacks any ontological reference point, it cannot be said to 'exist'. Furthermore, Kazantzakis drew on his rich Greek heritage--the neoplatonist Plotinus--in prioritizing this metaphysical 'One'. Examining the thought of Plotinus makes it possible to draw on and develop recent claims that Kazantzakis's thought may best be interpreted from the perspective of apophaticism or 'negative theology'. Indeed, the apophatic approach of Plotinus enables us to see how Kazantzakis could have asserted that "even this 'One' does not exist" without being a nihilist. Nevertheless, like Shestov's interpretation of Plotinus, Kazantzakis warns that ascent to the 'One' is both sublime and terrifying.


Would you agree?

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No.


Then you are an incurable pessimist

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(It's quite fascinating really)

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can someone translate that in to english please?

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A bunch of twits wanting to appear deep

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How can you " ascent to the 'One' " now that is the quastion.

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What exactly is the 'one' they are talking about?

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I'm not an incurable pessimist! I just disagree with ontological arguments when post-modern pragmatism is far superior.
That said I love Rousseau.

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I don't want to appear deep. It's not cool.

Onefoot it's in Askitiki read it.

It has something to do with eating a lot of grapes I gather.


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What on earth is "negative theology" and what does Plato have anything to do with New Age mumblejumble?

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It's has nothing to do with New Age and Plato does not seem to be involved (at least directly).

I'll be ****ed if I know what negative theology is. Probably the search for the divine while negating the existance of God. But your guess is as good as mine.

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POMO thread!!!

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EXPAND your horizons.

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what a load of bollocks.

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It's has nothing to do with New Age and Plato does not seem to be involved (at least directly).


That Plotinus dude is supposed to be a "Neoplatonist."

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I'll be ****ed if I know what negative theology is. Probably the search for the divine while negating the existance of God.


That certainly will be an exercise in futility.

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You shallow man!

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Askitiki Prologue
WE COME from a dark abyss, we end in a dark abyss, and we call the luminous interval life. As soon as we are born the return begins, at once the setting forth and the coming back; we die in every moment. Because of this many have cried out: The goal of life is death! But as soon as we are born we begin the struggle to create, to compose, to turn matter into life; we are born in every moment. Because of this many have cried out: The goal of ephemeral life is immortality! In the temporary living organism these two streams collide: (a) the ascent toward composition, toward life, toward immortality; (b) the descent toward decomposition, toward matter, toward death. Both streams well up from the depths of primordial essence. Life startles us at first; it seems somewhat beyond the law, somewhat contrary to nature, somewhat like a transitory counteraction to the dark eternal fountains; but deeper down we feel that Life is itself without beginning, an indestructible force of the Universe. Otherwise, from where did that superhuman strength come which hurls us from the unborn to the born and gives us- plants, animals, men- courage for the struggle? But both opposing forces are holy. It is our duty, therefore, to grasp that vision which can embrace and harmonize these two enormous, timeless, and indestructible forces, and with this vision to modulate our thinking and our action


So what if I have a little existential worries. Is that so bad?

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Well all in all: he is not a Darwinist

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