19-12-2002 22:58									#31
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Thanx Xenozod!!! It´s my second scenario

	19-12-2002 22:58									#32
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I think everyone needs to download it, but you might want to ask someone who knows mroe on the subject.

	19-12-2002 23:01									#33
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Why did you leave battleships out? Did they make it unbalanced?(I've known some scenarios where battleships were nigh-invulnerable)

	19-12-2002 23:09									#34
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You know, the battleships "died" in some way during WW2. The new rulers of the seas are the Carriers.
If you take a look at all the "modern" civ2 scenarios (post WW2) you won´t find battleships anywhere.
To be honest, i don´t know the "precise" reasons of this decision

	19-12-2002 23:13									#35
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You're right, I didn't think about battleships becoming used less and less. I mostly play WWII scenarios, which battleships are usually a big part of.

Question: Are railroads now used as roads or are there only railroads built in the beginning?

	19-12-2002 23:16									#36
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quote: Are railroads now used as roads or are there only railroads built in the beginning?

The graphics are railroads. But they work as roads with the classic x3 road multiplier
Railroads are forbidden in this scenario. We don´t want more "Darius Railroad Blitzkrieg Tactics"

	19-12-2002 23:17									#37
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As NATO, I am REALLY glad to hear that!

I think I have something to propose as soon as some more people are here...

	19-12-2002 23:23									#38
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quote: Originally posted by academia Darius: Please!! Forgive me!!! well... you can insult me as much as you want I made a new mistake regarding turn increment I´m going to use a 3 months per turn rate. Could you donwnload this file and replay your turn? I promise you this is the last time!!! PLEASE, EVERYBODY MUST DOWNLOAD THIS NEW .SCN FILE!!!

Wait, did you assume that I didn't load the file you posted yesterday at 23:08 and post it again, or is this a third file?

Oh, btw:

	19-12-2002 23:23									#39
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quote: Originally posted by academia You know, the battleships "died" in some way during WW2. The new rulers of the seas are the Carriers. If you take a look at all the "modern" civ2 scenarios (post WW2) you won´t find battleships anywhere. To be honest, i don´t know the "precise" reasons of this decision

Dont say that to the US Marine Corps! I know a lot of Marines who cried the day they put our last battleships in storage. Marines LOVE those volkswagens flying thru the air!

	19-12-2002 23:27									#40
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So, would it be okay with everyone if we started making proposals and such?

	19-12-2002 23:29									#41
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The scenario looks great. (Also liked the Falklands one, once the action got started!)

Can we start making diplomatic proposals now, or do we have to wait our turn (me also being a PBEM newbie)?

Those battleship shells were quite something. But compared to SSMs, I guess they're out.

edit - looks like you beat me, Xeno.

	19-12-2002 23:37									#42
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Well, I'll go ahead and post it then.

NATO PROPOSES LIMITATION ON USE OF NUCLEAR WEAPONS

We at NATO wish to prevent massive casualties as a result of nuclear war. To do this, we ask all nations to agree that in case of war, not to use any nuclear weapons unless their entire existence is threatened. This will hopefully promote quick ends to a war between two or more nations, as no nation wishes to suffer the tragedy of nuclear war.

NATO wishes to thank all those who work for a better tommarrow.

	19-12-2002 23:41									#43
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Leon, do you need something to tell you how to work PBEMs? I have a great guide to them.

	19-12-2002 23:41									#44
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quote: Wait, did you assume that I didn't load the file you posted yesterday at 23:08 and post it again, or is this a third file?

No, it´s a third file
Really, THIS IS THE LAST ONE

	19-12-2002 23:44									#45
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quote: Can we start making diplomatic proposals now, or do we have to wait our turn (me also being a PBEM newbie)?

Yes, please.

Yaroslav (USA) and El Leon (China):
Your countries are at war at the beginning of the scenario as a result of the Vietnam Conflict.
Both of you must establish the limits of this war: Territorial and Military limits. ok?

Please, begin negotiations

	19-12-2002 23:48									#46
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NEW CHAIRMAN FOR NATO APPOINTED

Today, the man known only as "Mr. X" was appointed as chairman on NATO. This comes as a surprise to all who have not heard of him, but those who do know him have assured us he is most serious in his duties and will lead the world to a new golden age of peace and international commerce.

All non-NATO states are welcome to celebrate his appointment at the headquarters of NATO.

	20-12-2002 00:06									#47
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Has anyone talked with Yaroslav? He hasn't posted once, and I was wondering if he knows he's in the game?

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quote: Originally posted by Xenozod So, would it be okay with everyone if we started making proposals and such?

Yes DEFINATELY, I have already been working the PM and email diplomacy! As a matter of fact we need to talk!

	20-12-2002 00:17									#49
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Well, just send me the message and we'll get down to buisness.

	20-12-2002 00:21									#50
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The Chinese people cannot accept unconditional limitation in the use of nuclear weapons. We propose a non-proliferation treaty in the following terms:
- All countries must disclose the number of nuclear warheads they own.
- Based on subsequent negotiations, no new weapons will be built by signing countries.

To the US, we think that the use of nuclear weapons is against the interests of both of us in this war.
We propose a complete restriction in the use of nuclear weapons.
Second, we propose that the US evacuate Vietnam immediately and allow the Vietnamese people self-determination. In that case, we can agree to end the war and not escalate in Korea.

	20-12-2002 00:27									#51
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NATO does not support the idea of preventing countries without nuclear weapons as of yet from defending themselves against those that do have them. Also, NATO refuses to disclose the amount of nuclear weapons it currently has in its nuclear armament. Doing so would only hurt our defenses. Instead, we propose that all nations that are nuclear powers proclaim it. When a nation joins the nuclear club, then they must let every other country know.

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Arab League Position:

quote: We at NATO wish to prevent massive casualties as a result of nuclear war. To do this, we ask all nations to agree that in case of war, not to use any nuclear weapons unless their entire existence is threatened. This will hopefully promote quick ends to a war between two or more nations, as no nation wishes to suffer the tragedy of nuclear war.

As you may know, the Arab Nations don´t possess weapons of mass destruction.
Doesn´t matter what George Bush says!! ok? WE DON´T HAVE NUCLEAR WEAPONS!!!
Nevertheless, we give full support to the NATO proposal. In case of war, don´t use nuclear weapons; only conventional warfare. Otherwise, USA/USSR will kick our butts

Regarding Chinese proprosal...
We have nothing to say here. We aren´t members of the nuclear club (believe us!)

	20-12-2002 02:33									#53
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We at NATO see no reason why China should be opposed to limiting the use of nuclear weapons, unless, of course, China is planning something...?

	20-12-2002 02:41									#54
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What do you all think of a 48-hour time limit?

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48 hour limit YES
Every country in the nuclear club must proclaim YES

China has no plans for nuclear attack and would consider it a terrible tragedy if nuclear threat and general agression by the US in Vietnam and Korea should lead to the use of these terrible weapons. If this aggression were to stop, we would consider a complete ban if everyone else will.

	20-12-2002 03:02									#56
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NATO is, of course, in the nuclear club.

It is good to hear that China has no plans that would involve weapons of mass destruction.

	20-12-2002 06:53									#57
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If everybody agrees to the non-proliferation treaty, then NATO will join.

	20-12-2002 06:59									#58
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Has anybody heard from Yaros and Darius? What are we awaiting?

Oh and Darius - How about a new communist international?

	20-12-2002 07:02									#59
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I haven't even heard from Yaros in the whole thread.

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Don´t worry about Yaroslav. He was busy today
I think he went to the cinema to watch lord of the rings 2