11-01-2003 19:04									#91
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Two turns in one day - great!
Back to Alva.

	11-01-2003 22:31									#92
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Yep, it's going good

You have some start anatolia , already going for a second city...

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	12-01-2003 00:53									#93
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quote: Originally posted by alva You have some start anatolia , already going for a second city...

He must have at least one bonus food resource. I am close enough to look for myself in a couple of turns.

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	12-01-2003 06:26									#94
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I built the Free Love improvement and the population just skyrocketed.

	12-01-2003 06:45									#95
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He has more then one bonus resource within the city and some luxeries too

	12-01-2003 07:13									#96
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How do you know these things? Or are you just guessing?

	12-01-2003 07:33									#97
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comparing to my situation can tell alot of things.
This early in the game, there is a good amount of info to get from the score, F11 screen...

	12-01-2003 07:34									#98
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You han't sent the save to me yet, have you?

	12-01-2003 07:44									#99
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quote: Originally posted by alva You han't sent the save to me yet, have you?

I'm waiting on Ghengis.
By the way, I don't have all the resources and luxuries you think I do. I'm sure you'll all be passing my score in a few turns. Ghengis is really catching up fast.

	12-01-2003 09:47									#100
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Sent to Anatolia.

I think I'm stuck on an island.

	12-01-2003 10:18									#101
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Sent to Alva

I usually like islands because it gives me time to build up a few decent cities before the enemies come. But no expansion until you get ships.

	12-01-2003 11:17									#102
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Ghengis, if you think it's unplayable, tell us as soon as possible. I rathere restart now then in 20 turns

My start is pretty decent too

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	12-01-2003 15:33									#103
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	12-01-2003 16:13									#104
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Sent to Anatolia.

It's not unplayable, I just think I am on an island.

	12-01-2003 18:01									#105
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Sent to Alva

All of you have just about caught up to my score. Question: Now that Shinshi has a population of only 1, why is it still at the top of the Best five City list?

[left field] Have any of you ever played IL-2 Sturmovik? It's a great WW2 flight simulator. Much better than MS Combat Flight Simulator (although I haven't tried CFS3) [/left field]

	12-01-2003 18:36									#106
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you settled first and thus have more culture points (that's my guess at least )

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	12-01-2003 20:30									#107
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turn sent.

Yes, I tried IL-2 but found it a bit too complicated and not to my taste. Too hard to fly and too much getting shot down.

	13-01-2003 07:17									#108
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Sent to Anatolia.

	13-01-2003 07:33									#109
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quote: Originally posted by CerberusIV turn sent. Yes, I tried IL-2 but found it a bit too complicated and not to my taste. Too hard to fly and too much getting shot down.

I play the fighter/bomber campaign so there's not too much getting shot down. My problem is misjudging height from the ground and either a) crashing into my target or b) getting torn to pieces by my own bomb shrapnel. Anyway, I'm getting better at it. (?) There's a new version coming out soon that lets you fly light bombers and switch between positions in the plane.


Turn sent to Alva, by the way.

	13-01-2003 07:47									#110
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Are you sure, you sent it?
Didn't receive anything I'm affraid...

	13-01-2003 11:48									#111
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Sent again.

I'm leaving tomorrow afternoon so I don't know if I will be able to take my next turn until after I come back. I might be able to get back earlier than I thought but I'm not sure. Anyway, send my turn to me and I'll take it when I can.

	13-01-2003 14:42									#112
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k, have fun

(I did get it twice btw, but the first one took more then 3 hours to get here.)

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	13-01-2003 17:57									#113
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I have been thinking (always dangerous I know) and looking at a few other PBEM threads. Before this game goes any further could we clarify what is and is not allowed in out of game negotiations?

I understand the need to clarify trade negotiations by e-mail, otherwise it takes too long.

I came across a post suggesting that you should not trade minimaps until one of the two civs has discovered mapmaking?

I am particularly thinking of science pacts and military agreements. A science pact would be "you research tech A and I'll research tech B, then we swap".

Military agreements could be "Yes, I'll sign a ROP with you but your troops are only allowed into a defined area of my territory" or "Yes, I'll stay neutral whilst you attack player X but you give me city Y when it's all over"

I don't mind what is agreed but I would like to be clear now, rather than do something which later turns out to be a no-no.

Sorry if this seems a bit heavy.

	13-01-2003 18:34									#114
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What I like about PBEM is that you can do these kinds of complicated deals with humans. As long as you don't cheat (i.e. doctor the game file or something) then I think just about anything should be allowed. Mini-map exchanging before map-making is discovered -- not sure about this one. It never struck me as being a bad thing but I suppose it does remove some of the realism from the game.

	14-01-2003 00:12									#115
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	14-01-2003 04:36									#116
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Sent to Anatolia.

I don't see how trading mini-maps is unrealistic. Even before maps were map there were rumors and knowledge of far away kingdoms. The first "maps" were extremely crude and not very useful.

	14-01-2003 04:58									#117
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Ghengis,

When you look at trading mini-maps from that point of view then I guess it doesn't take the realism out of the game. I heard of a mighty warrior named Ghengis Farb who was cursed by an evil Map Generator to be stuck on an island . . .

	14-01-2003 06:04									#118
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Sent to Alva

	14-01-2003 20:43									#119
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sent to Cerb

	14-01-2003 20:46									#120
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I don't mind one way or the other, as long as we agree upfront.