19-12-2002 07:38									#1
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In my mod I put in the WW2 Rifleman units that came with PTW. I put in thhe American, British, German, Russian, and Japanese ones. I was wondering though if they should be used for riflemen or infantry? Right now I am using them as infantry but now I am starting to have second thoughts. What do you think?

	19-12-2002 08:44									#2
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I think infantry were mainly used in Civ3 to represent WWI-II infantry, while riflemen were more Civil war era, possibly bordering on WWI. I would make them infantry if I were you so they are contemporaries of tanks.

	19-12-2002 15:28									#3
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I use them as Infantry flavour units, apart from the German one which I use as a Rifleman and use nonnob3's Grenadier as the German Infantry.

	20-12-2002 04:26									#4
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I use the WW II as the regular infantries. Except japan I use the Imperial Marine unit for infantry and give the WWII theme one a "bonsai" charge ability.

	20-12-2002 04:59									#5
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When I was playing my game the German one just didn't look as modern as the normal infantry units to me. Thats what gave me second thoughts. The more I've been thinking about it, maybe it would make more sense to have all the units as rifleman because during WW2, those countries were the most advanced and most powerful. Smaller countries probably had units that looked a little more like Civ3's rifleman. This is just a guess but a lot of countries really didn't start to really advance until the Cold War.

	20-12-2002 05:18									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Calc II I use the WW II as the regular infantries. Except japan I use the Imperial Marine unit for infantry and give the WWII theme one a "bonsai" charge ability.

Eh, "bonsai" are those miniature trees. You are thinking "banzai."

	20-12-2002 06:10									#7
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no, his infantries have the forest ability, mister know it all

	20-12-2002 08:16									#8
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quote: Originally posted by UberKruX no, his infantries have the forest ability, mister know it all

No, they're like the Japanese guys hiding in the Christmans trees in 1941

	21-12-2002 01:08									#9
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I think the "Infantry" icon most looks WWI in origin. Witness the helmet, and the wrappings around the lower legs of the unit.

The helmet is the biggest kicker- They weren't in common use in the 1800s; and the first ones I recall seeing would have been Great War-ish. I imagine there is a pretty good chance that infantry may have worn them in the Russo-Japanese War just after the turn of the century, but not in the 1800s.

I use the 'flavor' infantry as an advanced WWII infantry (8/10), available at the same time as Tank. I split up the types available between the various regional groups- (ie: Japan, China and India use 'Japanese'; France, Russia and Britain use 'British'; etc.) They all -function- the same, but it's both a little added flavor, and a new spiffy unit.

	21-12-2002 14:50									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov No, they're like the Japanese guys hiding in the Christmans trees in 1941

What Japanese guys? What Christmas trees? I just read it, and I don't remember any of that.

BTW, IMO I'd probably have them all replace their namesake......although that "forest" abiltity sounds rather appealing......

	21-12-2002 15:44									#11
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I saw riflemen as Napoleonic-Civil War era, then Infantry as WWI-WWII, with Mech Inf comming in late WWII/early post-war.

	21-12-2002 18:29									#12
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IMO it's this:
Rifleman => 1800-1918
Infantry => 1919-1975
MechInf => 1943-now
So, if you want the "standard infantry unit" in a mod, I think you'll have to use the Infantry.

	22-12-2002 13:16									#13
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CivilopediaCity, I'm going to have to disagree with you on the ages for Rifleman and Infantry. Looking at the weapons in their hands you can see that the Rifleman is carrying a non bolt-action rifle rifle and his uniform is before the idea of fatigue uniforms and camoflague came about. I believe that the Rifleman is best representing the time between 1840's at the earliest (with the start of the industrial revolution) and about 1870's at the latest (with the development of the pinfire system). As for the Infantry, the uniform, khaki, is a early camoflague uniform, and the rifle is a bolt-action one. Bolt-actions were used by every country in WW1 and every country but one (USA) in WW2. Therefore, I'd gauge Infantry from the 1870's to about the 1940's.

	23-12-2002 09:28									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Switch What Japanese guys? What Christmas trees? I just read it, and I don't remember any of that. BTW, IMO I'd probably have them all replace their namesake......although that "forest" abiltity sounds rather appealing......

Bah, don't know WHAT I was thinking.....I just read 1984, not 1941

	23-12-2002 10:33									#15
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ah yes banzai.. eh, i could always have bonsai abilities as well..

I sometimes give units worker skills. Like being able to build forst, road or forests. Since when I mod, i make all vehicles wheeled, I gave this combat unit a clear forest ability which made it more valuable. I also had gave monk from japanese theme able to plant forests. The problem is the AI cant handle these abilities. They use the suicide charge very well though, as long as you toggle on bombard for ai use....