19-12-2002 10:21									#1
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OK, Roleplayers and Glory of War offered trading minimaps. Would you like to accept their offers or not? Which minimap you would like to trade?

4000BC - reveals our starting position only
current - reveals more of our surroundings, even though nothing extremely important, I believe... the two spots suitable for settling are close enough to our capital, the rest is of pretty low attractiveness anyway...

	19-12-2002 10:56									#2
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Offer to trade our current minimap for the RPers. We should show we trust them, and only trading old minimaps will not have that effect. Plus, if we're on different continents, we should figure that out ASAP so we don't waste too much time with coordinated research; and if we can't see each other's coastlines, we won't discover that all that quickly.

GoW is an interesting dilemma. Trading minimaps with them could set a good precedent for cooperation, and they certainly would be useful if someone's hostile to us (it sounds like Demogyptica, for one, are fans of conquest). On the other hand, they might see us as a juicy target. So I'll hold off on voting till I decide on that one, but until I do, please count this post as +1 for exchanging current minimaps with the RPers.

	19-12-2002 14:30									#3
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I think we should trade current minimaps with both civs. There is nothing there that is going to give anything away and the info we get in return could well prove to be priceless. We have no current reason to beleive that there is any risk.

	19-12-2002 22:07									#4
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I want to hold off on giving GoW anything until we know how close RP is.

Scenerio 1: RP is close enough that we can coordinate research. Would we benefit from doing the same with GoW? I think the GoW benefit goes way down under scenerio 1.

Scenerio 2: RP distance does not allow immediate coordination of research. Now I'm all for sharing with GoW.

Should we be a bit more proactive in finding Civs to coordinate with? I'm OK with RP, but do we want to deal with GoW? We need to look at the other teams and determine which would fit our needs best and then go after their help.

	20-12-2002 00:08									#5
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I would consider just trading minmaps.

	20-12-2002 00:12									#6
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Come on lets trade the minimaps it gets there trust, help us in the end, and it doesn't any important info away other than the location.

	20-12-2002 00:14									#7
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Besides I want to see the real start postion of the Glory of War.

	20-12-2002 00:19									#8
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That would be cool, imagin if they weren't lieing.

	20-12-2002 01:41									#9
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I voted current with both. It would be nice if we could get GoW as friendly as mercenaries can be, and they may be useful if we meet up with Demogyptica or some other Civ like that.

	20-12-2002 23:37									#10
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I say we might as well just go for both of them, current. I mean, keep your friends close, potential enemies closer, right?

	21-12-2002 01:44									#11
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OK, the poll shows clearly that we want to trade our current minimap with RPers. I have authorized Nimitz to handle our minimap from Turn 13 to Togas and ask him for the same. I guess we shall take some more time before we respond to GoW.

	21-12-2002 02:30									#12
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I will respond to Gow and inform them that a decision will be pending. I'm sure they will understand.

	21-12-2002 02:58									#13
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I've got the RP mini map.

	24-12-2002 10:22									#14
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And our real response to the GoW remains pending... to be resolved after Christmas. But it looks to me like a majority want to trade minimaps.

	24-12-2002 23:23									#15
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Oh the RPers got the GoW Map GoW is to our north probly acrossed the isthmas.

	25-12-2002 04:15									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Nimitz Oh the RPers got the GoW Map GoW is to our north probly acrossed the isthmas.

So, we start next to our antithesis; that's... interesting.

We should definitely trade minimaps then. It'll improve our relations, and we can see how close they are (depending on their proximity, I might even vote for placing our second city in a blocking position).

	04-01-2003 08:05									#17
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Trip said that his team may trade mini maps with us. He is going to ask his team what they think. WHat do you guys think?

	04-01-2003 09:16									#18
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Our minimap certainly carries more value now that we've founded a second city; if we trade, I think we should agree not to give or describe the maps to other teams.

Anyone know how Lux is doing? I haven't been watching the demographics screen closely, and I don't have a good impression of their relations with other teams.

	04-01-2003 13:05									#19
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Lux is rumored to have in-game contact with Neu Demogyptica.
They didn't appear on our Demography screen recently, so we cannot estimate if they're populated or not. Chance is small that they already have a second city (they would need wheat or cattle in the radius of their capital).
I'd say we wait a couple of turns before trading minimaps.

	04-01-2003 13:37									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Lux is rumored to have in-game contact with Neu Demogyptica. They didn't appear on our Demography screen recently, so we cannot estimate if they're populated or not. Chance is small that they already have a second city (they would need wheat or cattle in the radius of their capital). I'd say we wait a couple of turns before trading minimaps.

Judging from their current score, Luxes are doing pretty bad (they are constantly last or last but one, IIRC). My guess is a mediocre or below-average starting location (the same goes for Gathering Storm).

I have no specific feeling about trading minimaps with LI. Can't think if any advantages or disadvantages at the moment... on second thought, we might get info on their whereabouts PLUS a hint about where ND is... that would be nice, I'd say.

Yeah, I'd probably go for the deal.

	05-01-2003 00:06									#21
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Yeah, why not? If the RPers (and maybe others) are handing out general locations, it's best to trade anyway.

Of course, I wouldn't be so sure of ND's location. They started the game with a scout, and those guys move fast.

	05-01-2003 01:12									#22
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Yes, why not? If we wanted our position to be secret, we shouldn't have traded any minimaps. Now that we are trading them anyway, why not with Lux, too?