20-12-2002 00:21									#1
	Orders 2211 - ... Got spare money?

Orders thread for turns to be played on Saturday 2200 GMT.

Governor please look here for the format:
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	20-12-2002 00:37									#2
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Orders for Twin Sea, MY 2211-???

Build Queues

Crystalis (add following to existing queues)
1-3t-1 Garrison
Former
Network Node
Colony Pod

Mysidia (add following to existing queues)
Sea Former
Former

New Suez (add following to existing queues)
Transport Foil (as per request by Drogue)
Supply Crawler
Sea Colony Pod

Crawlers

No changes necessary for the time being;

Formers

New Suez Sea Former (22, 94) west of New Suez
-construct tidal harness
-after completion, move to 22,96, directly southeast of present location
-cultivate kelp farm

Crystalis Former (26,104) northwest of Crystlis, planting forest
-finish planting forest (due for completion in one turn)
-move to 26, 106; directly south of present location
-plant forest

Mysidia Former (28, 108) southeast of Crystalis, building road
-leave in present location
-finish constructing road
-construct solar collector
-after completion of solar collector move to 30, 106; directly northeast of present location
-remove fungus

New Suez Former (29, 105) northeast of Crystalis, removing fungus
-finish removing fungus
-in same location plant forest
-after which construct solar collectors

New Apolyton Former (20, 108) west of Twin Sea region, building mine
-finish constructing mine
-build road
-move to 20, 110; directly south of present location
-construct mne

U.N. Pizza Delivery Former (22, 102) south of Mysidia, plating forest
-leave in present location
-build road
-construct solar collectors

Tactius Academy Former (21, 103) suthwest of Mysidia, planting forest
-leave in present location
-build road
-construct solar collectors

Colony Pods

Crystalis Colony Pod (Crystalis) Crystalis, nothing
-move to 29,97, north of west of Morgan Mines
-build base

New Suez Colony Pod (23,103) southeast of Mysidia, nothing
-move to 23,111, 4 tiles directly south of present location
-build base

Other

I would like to officially request that more Colony Pods be diverted to the Twin Sea region to counter the increasing expansion of Morgan on our eastern border.

Last edited by Voltaire on 20-12-2002 at 22:29

	20-12-2002 04:08									#3
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Build queues

Concordia
(changes)
Hab Complex
Gatling Infantry
Police Infantry
Colony Pod

Pandemonium
(changes)
Network Node
Former

Sheathed Sword
(changes)
Supply Crawler
Rec Commons
Children's Creche

Terminal Dogma
(changes)
Rec Commons
Children's Creche

Supply crawlers

Sheathed Sword crawler (15,63) E-SE of Sheathed Sword, waiting for orders
-convoy minerals

Sheathed Sword crawler (12,62) in Sheathed Sword, in production in Sheathed Sword
-move to (13,59) N-NE of Sheathed Sword
-convoy nutrients

Worker allocations

Concordia
-move E worker to forest N-NE.

Pandemonium
-move NE worker (on flat&rainy square) to forest S-SE.
-change SW worker (on flat&rainy square) to a doctor

Terminal Dogma
-move NW-NW worker to forest N.

Formers

Two Sheathed Sword formers (13,59) N-NE of Sheathed Sword, building a condenser
-finish condenser
-build farm on that location
-move to (14,62) E of Sheathed Sword
-build farm & solar collector on that location

Sheathed Sword former (10,62) W of Sheathed Sword, planting forest
-finish forest
-build sensor array

Concordia former (20,66) E of Terminal Dogma, waiting for orders
-move one tile SE to (21,67)
-build road
-move one tile SE to (22,68)
-build road

Terminal Dogma former (18,66) in Terminal Dogma, waiting for orders
-move one tile E and plant forest on (20,66)
-move one tile SE and plant forest on (21,67)

Terminal Dogma former (18,68) S of Terminal Dogma, waiting for orders
-build road on current square
-help the above former to plant forests

Terminal Dogma former (15,67) and Pandemonium former (12,66) moving to (15,67), E-NE of Pandemonium
-build farm
-move to (13,69)
-build farm & solar collector

Pandemonium former (13,69) SE of Pandemonium, building road
-finish road
--move one tile W to (11,69)
-build road
-move one tile N to (11,67)
-build road

Concordia former number one (12,72) N-NE of Concordia, waiting for orders
-build sensor array
-move one tile SE to (13,73)
-build road
-move two tiles E to (17,73), if road is built on (15,73)
-remove fungus
-build road

Concordia former number two (12,72) N-NE of Concordia, waiting for orders
-build sensor array
-move two tiles SE-E to (15,73)
-build road
-move one tile E to (17,73)
-remove fungus
-build road



Thanks.

Last edited by Maniac on 22-12-2002 at 01:07

	20-12-2002 09:15									#4
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CENTRALIS ORDERS AS OF MY 2211:

Build Queue Orders:
New Apolyton:
No changes.

ThisBaseIsBelongToUs:
Add probe team to start of build queue.
Add Research Hospital to the end.

Tacticus Academy:
Add 5-1-1 infantry to start of build queue.
Add Research Hospital to the end of build queue.

Antioch:
Add 5-1-1 infantry to start of build queue.
Add Research Hospital to the end.

Worker Placement Orders:
New Apolyton:
No changes.

ThisBaseIsBelongToUs:
Move 13,83 worker to 14,84.
Move 13,87 worker to 12,84


Tacticus Academy:
Move Doctor to 7,87.

Antioch:
Move 11,83 worker to 12,84.

Crawler Orders:
Tacticus Academy crawler (8, 86) north of Tacticus Academy, crawl minerals.
- Move to 7,85 & crawl nutrients.

Tacticus Academy crawler (under construction)
- Move to 9,91 & crawl minerals.

Antioch crawler (Antioch):
- Move to 6,86 & crawl nutrients.

TBIBTU crawler (under construction):
- Move to 14,88 & crawl minerals.

Former Orders:
Tacticus Academy former (10, 88), east of Tacticus Academy, build farm.
- When done building farm, build condensor

ThisbaseIsBelongToUs former (10, 88), west of Tacticus Academy, build farm.
- When done building farm, build condensor

Antioch former (6, 90), SWSW of Tacticus Academy, build sensor
Move N 1 tile & build condensor.

Tacticus Academy former (12, 84), WNW of ThisBaseIsBelongToUs, build farm
- Move to 9,83, clear fungus, then build farm, collector, & road, in that order.

Last edited by GeneralTacticus on 20-12-2002 at 15:21

	20-12-2002 15:21									#5
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DoFA Orders:

1) Keep trying to get whatever techs Morgan and Zakharov may have.

2) Keep trying to Pact with Zakharov.

3) Try for a straight-up peace deal with the Hive, with no concessions by either side (unless Yang offers them, but don't risk demanding them).

4) If peace is acheived, go for any techs Yang has, but don't trade away important techs.

5) Don't trade for energy, but be willing to trade it away.

6) Don't extort them for anything, or give in to any demands.

EDIT: I assume this will be another Sat. 2200 GMT chat?

Last edited by GeneralTacticus on 20-12-2002 at 15:27

	20-12-2002 22:10									#6
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quote: EDIT: I assume this will be another Sat. 2200 GMT chat?

Yeah, GT, you sure about contacting Zakharov? He doesn't like us for two things, we don't use Knowledge, and we have a pact with Morgan, who he's at war with. He could declare war on us if we contact him, but don't give in to any of his demands.

	20-12-2002 22:24									#7
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I'd say don't contact him. Wait until we switch to knowledge (after the last polls, I'm quite sure it's a when).

	20-12-2002 22:25									#8
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I wonder if it would be possible for our Director of Foreign affairs to find out how much energy credits Morgan would demand if we were to consider purchasing Morgan Mines (I believe this is his westernmost base, if not I’m speaking of his westernmost base)? I’m interested in using the Twin Sea regional budget for the acquisition of this base from the Morganites. But before any consideration can take place, I need to know the cost to see if it is feasible.

	20-12-2002 22:33									#9
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Way to much I think. I'd guess over a thousand Ec at least.

	20-12-2002 22:35									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Drogue Way to much I think. I'd guess over a thousand Ec at least.

Wow, for a base as crappy as that?!?

Well, just as I thought, I guess I’ll need to step up colony pod production if we want to counter the Morganite expansion to the west.

	20-12-2002 22:37									#11
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Morgan usually charges heavily for anything IMO, and bases are lot for the smallest of ones. I've once had him charge 500 for a tech

If he'll do it cheaply, might be worth it, but I doubt it.

	20-12-2002 22:43									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Drogue Morgan usually charges heavily for anything IMO, and bases are lot for the smallest of ones. I've once had him charge 500 for a tech If he'll do it cheaply, might be worth it, but I doubt it.

That greedy bastard.

Well if it’s below 500 energy credits for the base, I think it would be a bargain, coming form Morgan that is. Though I highly doubt it.

	21-12-2002 05:55									#13
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I wouldn't approve spending 500 ECs on a base as pathetic as thta anyway. That's half our factional treausury for crying out loud, and it would take us decades to recover it all.

	21-12-2002 06:21									#14
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About Zakh: On second thoughts, I agree with Drogue. Wait 'till after Knowledge.

	21-12-2002 07:08									#15
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I'll likely be absent this upcoming turnchat. Orders are simple: Maintain current research goal of Centauri Empathy. In the event we receive it early by some random chance, take the front runner of the tech poll I'm about to post.

	21-12-2002 19:08									#16
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DPO:

BuildingRequests:

Pandemonium:
2nd in queue:
Infantry: [5-1-1]

TBIBTU:
2nd in queue:
Infantry: [5-1-1]

Tac Ac:
3rd in queue:
Rover: [5-1-2]
Crystalis:
2nd in queue:
infantry:[1-3t-1]
UNPD:
2nd in queue:
rover: [5-1-2]

[to governers: please put these requests in your building orders. if you have a better place where these units can be build please inform me. if you think they have to be put somewhere else in the queue also pleace inform me.]

[2-1t-4] from ZG at [20.100] in the FWsea
*move to new base south of it
*wait until it is 100%
*pop pods usual way

garrison in Crystalis
attack worm N of base at [27.103]

[2-1t-4] from Antioch at [127.81]
*under DEI control execpt when:
**IOD is within range
**enemy ship is within range

[1-2t-2] from Sheathed Sword at [12.62]
*stay in Sheathed Sword execpt when:
**worm is within range
**enemy lands near TD or some where else in this Region

[2-1t-4] from TBIBTU at [19.77]
*move to TBIBTU
*stay there until 100%
*give DEI control

[if better weapons or armor come availible put use them in above order units]

	21-12-2002 19:09									#17
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Governers orders:


[UNPD] (changed)
trawler (current)
enegry bank
rover [5-1-2]
crawler
crawler

[ZG] (not changed)
network node (current)
sea colony pod
energy Bank
crawler
crawler

[DEM] (not changed)
crawler (current)
Creche
Network Node
Crawler
Crawler

[NT] (changed)
crawler
CP
Garrison [1-3t-1]
creche
crawler
crawler

[New Base] at [5.113]
garrison [1-3t-1]
former
seaformer
rec tanks
crawler


Crawlers

[NT] Crawler (13.107) [in NT], [build in 2212]
- move to [12.110]
- crawl for nutrients

[DEM] Crawler (4.102) [in DEM], [build in 2216]
- move to (7.105)
- crawl for minerals

[UNPD] Trawler (12.94) [in UNPD], [build in 2215]
- move to [15.95]
- crawl for nutrients (move any worker on it to somewhere else)

Formers

[NA] Former(12.110) [S,SW of NT], [no orders]
- move to [11.105]
- build farm
- build condensor

[UNPD] Sea Former (12.94) [in UNPD], [no orders]
- move to [15.95]
- build kelp farm
- move W to [13.94]
- build kelp farm
- build tidel harness

[UNPD] former (7.101) [W, SW of ZG], [building road]
- finish road
- build mine
- move to [11.103]
- build borehole (?)

[DEM] former (4.100) [N of DEM], [building solar]
- finish solar
- move W to (2.100)
- clear fungus
- farm
- road
- solar

[DEM] former (2.102) [W of DEM], [building condenser]
- finish condenser
- move S to [2.104]
- build road
- build farm
- build solar

[if the 3 road making formers are done with there job then start cultivating area around new bases at own discresion]

Last edited by DeathByTheSword on 21-12-2002 at 22:20

	21-12-2002 20:09									#18
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Dont forget the poll : switch to Knowledge

	21-12-2002 20:51									#19
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quote: Dont forget the poll : switch to Knowledge

I'd really like to hear from Archaic about this, since only he has the right to start official polls about this issue and ordering a SE change.
But the current poll shows a clear victory for Knowledge, and i am supposed to serve my faction the best i can, so unless Archaic has any objections against switching to Knowledge, i will switch during the turnchat.

	21-12-2002 21:18									#20
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

well, there *was* already an official Poll

	21-12-2002 21:22									#21
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Does he? I thought any Director can start an official poll, not just the Director in question. That is what it says in the constitution.

quote: May only be started by a government official. Must have official in the subjectline, and must be used as information gathering or decision making.

	21-12-2002 21:43									#22
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DEI Orders
1) The Western Probe Foil should continue to move Northwards until it finds another faction, and then infiltrate.
2) The Western Gatling Foil should continue West following the coast of the other continent.
3) The Scout Patrol should continue exploring the unexplored area to the West and South.
4) The Eastern Probe Foil should steal tech from Yang at The Leader's Horde, and if still alive afterwards, should immediately make its way back to steal another tech.
5) The Eastern Gatling Foil should return to TBIBTU immediately and rest until fully repaired, and should then continue exploring North along the coast.
6) The New Transport Foil being built by Voltaire in New Suez should stay put until Probe reaches it, and then head off to the University.
7) The New Probe Team being built by GT in TBIBTU should move to New Suez ASAP and board the transport.

All trance non-probe ships under my control should pop every pod they find, regardless of moves left, unless damaged. This is because since there is no advantage for attacking in the sea, and with +50% defense, it's better than attacking IoDs. And they move away when they are damaged a bit.

	21-12-2002 22:28									#23
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oh yes one problem i cant make it to night my girlfriend is on speaking terms with me again.....

	21-12-2002 23:08									#24
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quote: Does he? I thought any Director can start an official poll, not just the Director in question. That is what it says in the constitution.

It would make sense that the director can only start offcial polls in his area, otherwise any director could do the DoSE job.
The cconstitution also says:

quote: Director of Social Engineering: Has the right of: *Starting polls to ask the people what there wishes are in his area *Ordering the commissioner to change the social engineering’s page *Advising any other part of the government

If anyone could start polls in the DoSE's area, then why mention it as a specific right under the DoSE?
IMO Only the DoSE has the right to start official polls in his area.

quote: well, there *was* already an official Poll

Yes, a long time ago, when we didn't even have Knowledge. Opinions could've changed by then, and since i didn't receive an order to switch from the current director, i think i did the right thing.

	22-12-2002 00:14									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Lemmy It would make sense that the director can only start offcial polls in his area, otherwise any director could do the DoSE job. The cconstitution also says: quote: Director of Social Engineering: Has the right of: *Starting polls to ask the people what there wishes are in his area *Ordering the commissioner to change the social engineering’s page *Advising any other part of the government If anyone could start polls in the DoSE's area, then why mention it as a specific right under the DoSE? IMO Only the DoSE has the right to start official polls in his area.

That is true, and the DSE has to order it, but nowhere does it say that another Governor can't start an official poll for that area. This came up before about whether if a DFA didn't want to go to war, they simply don't post the poll asking if we should. If only the DSE can post polls on changing SE settings, then if they want to keep it how it is, they don't do anything, and nothing changes. I'm saying should we make it like that?

	22-12-2002 00:46									#26
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quote: If only the DSE can post polls on changing SE settings, then if they want to keep it how it is, they don't do anything, and nothing changes.

Not true, every director has the duty to post polls about his area to find out the people's wishes, if he's not doing that, then obviously the director is not fullfilling his duty. From that, impeachment can follow, the AT or a new director will take the position, and a poll will be posted eventually.

	22-12-2002 01:15									#27
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I'd like to notify the High Commissioner I've changed the Jedinica Vrijstaat orders. Due to pressure of the Hawks, the military & expansionist faction in our federal senate, I have been forced to annul the construction of a research hospital which would ensure payable medical care for all. Instead I've added "Gatling Infantry - Police Infantry (garrison for the new base) - Colony Pod". By dedicating Concordian State Industries to fulfill the requests of the federal government, I hope I can continue my social plans in the other bases, by building rec commons to raise morale, and children's creches and network nodes to ensure high quality education.

	22-12-2002 19:55									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Lemmy quote: If only the DSE can post polls on changing SE settings, then if they want to keep it how it is, they don't do anything, and nothing changes. Not true, every director has the duty to post polls about his area to find out the people's wishes, if he's not doing that, then obviously the director is not fullfilling his duty. From that, impeachment can follow, the AT or a new director will take the position, and a poll will be posted eventually.

Indeed. And because the current (and previous ? Im not sure Adam was still DoSE when we researched Knowledge) Director(s) of Social Engineering didnt give the order to switch to Knowledge, despite the clear results of the poll, we can honestly say that he has to be impeached. Moreover, even with the situation pointed and aknowledge, he should have at least started a new poll in the next days. Therefore, impeachment can follow.