20-12-2002 03:56									#1
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Do you want a civ your fighting to get a lot of war pain fast? Heres how: GIVE cities for FREE and then delcare war on them. Get your cities back. The citys will slow down and they will switch to comm. fast. Also you might get more stuff for peace.

	20-12-2002 04:35									#2
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Good one!

Ideally, you have some very corrupt cities without any improvements to give away.

Note that when you give cities away, the citizens' nationality changes, so you might have them flip back if your culture is low. (especially if they are corrupt, which usually means they are far from your capital). They also become very unhappy ("stop aggressing our mother country").

	20-12-2002 09:26									#3
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Sneaky.

	20-12-2002 19:30									#4
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will the AI accept any cities as gifts?

	20-12-2002 20:43									#5
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I have never seen an AI ever refuse a gift... Can it happen?

--Kon--

	20-12-2002 20:52									#6
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well...I thought the AI refuses gifts that it "would never accept" themselves...like gpt-deals that are bigger that the actual surplus. But I'm not sure about cities.

	21-12-2002 08:26									#7
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The AI never says no to a gift. Maybe M-Players can not ether.

	21-12-2002 12:01									#8
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Hmmm... I wonder if they would accept a city that just pop rushed 100 units.

	24-12-2002 03:26									#9
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They will do that

	26-12-2002 10:47									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Konquest02 I have never seen an AI ever refuse a gift... Can it happen? --Kon--

Yea. Surrrre.

I have cut a deal with an AI civ, and then, to be nice and friendly, I offered it SIX FREE RESOURCES AS A BONUS.

The AI civ cancelled the entire deal and insulted me, that over some bogus claim about my reputation!!

How's that for a stupid AI? It happens like that regularly.

	26-12-2002 12:25									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Coracle Yea. Surrrre. I have cut a deal with an AI civ, and then, to be nice and friendly, I offered it SIX FREE RESOURCES AS A BONUS. The AI civ cancelled the entire deal and insulted me, that over some bogus claim about my reputation!! How's that for a stupid AI? It happens like that regularly.

duh, thats a deal. Ai is programmed to not favor a permeanant goods for turn goods especially if ur reputation is bad.

We're talking gifts. giving ai something for COMPLETELY NOTHING. they always accept somethign for nothing. Its easy to make them refuse many things for small things.

	26-12-2002 12:28									#12
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quote: Originally posted by DaveMcW Hmmm... I wonder if they would accept a city that just pop rushed 100 units.

unhappiness will likely not tranfer to new regime. which would make sense.

When trading cities, i believe nationalities DO change. this could be still exploited if this is true! think, capture a city, give it to friend. No protesters.

	26-12-2002 20:20									#13
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quote: When trading cities, i believe nationalities DO change. this could be still exploited if this is true! think, capture a city, give it to friend. No protesters.

I think I remember reading somewhere that if you lose the city that had the pop-rushing unhappiness, the unhappiness gets transferred to another one of your cities. I'm not sure, though.

	03-01-2003 06:26									#14
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	03-01-2003 06:33									#15
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The AI wont accept cities in a deal. To many exploits could come from that. Like the one you mentioned above.

	03-01-2003 20:53									#16
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AI will accept a gift of a city, even if they are furious at you.

(Last night, Egypt was willing to end the war, but had no gold per turn to offer, but did have 1 useless city, which I accepted for peace [along with their 10 gold and WM] and immedately gifted it to the other AI.)

Other than gifting a city, the only time you can give a city to the AI other than being cultured bombed is culture, and only if the only thing on their side of the table is peace.

AI will accept a gift of 6 luxaries. It won't accept 6 luxaries in exchange for 1 gold (one time) if you've canceled out on a deal with any of the AIs in that game.

Last edited by joncnunn on 03-01-2003 at 23:53