Apolyton Archive  |  Preserved copy of the Apolyton Civilization Site and its forums as they stood in September 2005. Read-only; nothing here can be posted to or replied to.  |  Forum index |  About this archive |  The 1998–2001 UBB forums
Today on Apolyton WARDELL INTERVIEW PROMO A.C.S. HISTORY CHAPTER 4 GET CIV4 /w FREE PLUS! A.C.S. PHOTO GALLERY GET A.O.M. V1.1
Apolyton Civilization Forums
main| civ2| civ3| civ4| smac| ctp2| ron| moo3| galciv| galciv2| alt| about|
ApolytonPLUS | register | search | faq | new posts | pm (-/-) | upload | members
hall of fame new! | civgroups | civgroups news | interviews | the column | radio | chat | directory | news | store | PLUS
Apolyton Civilization Forums : Powered by vBulletin version 2.0.3 Apolyton Civilization Forums > Miscellaneous > Archive > Civ3-Democracy Game-Archive > How much Navy do we need?
Show a Printable Version | Email This Page to Someone! | Receive updates to this thread | Report this to Apolyton news!

bottom of page
  
Author
Thread    < Last Thread     Next Thread > Post New Thread     Post A Reply
CiverDan is offline CiverDan
Prince

Sep 2002
time: 00:24
  Old Post 21-12-2002 17:49 Visit CiverDan's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#1 Report this post to a moderator
How much Navy do we need? Remove this text

At the present, we only have one Ironclad. 3 more are in the que's. Given the AI's inability to handle sea assualts, this should be enough to hamper AI assualts on Uber Isle (we have sufficient forces to eliminate any forces that land on the mainland). When it becomes feasible I would like to see 2-3 naval units stationed in Uber for it's defense, though I wouldnt build additional Ironclads unless we have a few bad sea battles since they are not upgradable. I think overall a sea defense for Uber is more practicle than building extra ground units that cannot easily participate in our offensive battles.

Long term, probably after The Great War, a sea strike force (at least one, 2 if possible) consisting of 2-3 transports (when we get them) and 3-4 of "best available attack boat" so if we find we have to wage a war against Shaka, etc. if we have to (i.e. they declare on us) without wasting turns building units such as transport vessels.

E_T is offline E_T
Emperor
Orlando, Florida
Mar 2001
time: 00:24
  Old Post 21-12-2002 18:30
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#2 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

I had placed teh Ironclands in for the purpose of going after Shaka. I'd like to have atleast one Bombardment sea unit for every Zulu City that can be Bombarded from Off shore.

E_T

Shiber is offline Shiber
Emperor
Haifa, Israel
Jul 2002
time: 07:24
  Old Post 21-12-2002 18:45
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#3 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

IMHO we should build one or two additional ironclads to intercept any Roman ironclads before they bomb our coastal cities (we've already seen one Roman ironclad, there could be more). However, further builds to our navy should be put on hold until we have combustion, so that we can attack the Zulus with the latest model.
Later, some coastal fortresses on Uber Isle would be nice.

panag is offline panag
Emperor
MY WORDS ARE BACKED WITH BIO-CHEMICAL WEAPONS
Oct 2000
time: 07:24
  Old Post 21-12-2002 20:54 Visit panag's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#4 Report this post to a moderator
Tired of ads?

hi ,

we need some ships patrolling the waters , so that we can see an invasion a couple turns before it happens , .....

we should wait a bit until we can get better ships to build a large scale navy

have a nice day

Meshelic is offline Meshelic
King
Bringer of Peace, Destroyer of Worlds
Sep 2002
time: 21:24
  Old Post 22-12-2002 04:11
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#5 Report this post to a moderator
Increase Your PM Length

Once we are more technically advanced and can build Destroyers, Battleships, Submarines I recommend the Navy be upgraded like so.

5 Destroyers
2 Battleships
3 Submarines

Some SP games I've played, the AI has SUBSTANTIAL naval fleets, and naval battles were occuring everywhere all the time.

The English will probably want to build a large navy, although by the time they can build a fleet large enough they will be conquered by us. Of course that depends on the Senate to declare war against our soon-to-be former ally....

Aircraft Carriers.....you never know, we might be able to use one....

I would LOVE to command the Air Force...

panag is offline panag
Emperor
MY WORDS ARE BACKED WITH BIO-CHEMICAL WEAPONS
Oct 2000
time: 07:24
  Old Post 22-12-2002 19:08 Visit panag's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#6 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

quote:
Originally posted by Meshelic
Once we are more technically advanced and can build Destroyers, Battleships, Submarines I recommend the Navy be upgraded like so.

5 Destroyers
2 Battleships
3 Submarines

Some SP games I've played, the AI has SUBSTANTIAL naval fleets, and naval battles were occuring everywhere all the time.

The English will probably want to build a large navy, although by the time they can build a fleet large enough they will be conquered by us. Of course that depends on the Senate to declare war against our soon-to-be former ally....

Aircraft Carriers.....you never know, we might be able to use one....

I would LOVE to command the Air Force...


hi ,

we shall need more then one aircraft carrier , about 12-14 shall do to start with , .....

we shall need at least 20 nuclear subs with rows of ICBM's in them , .......

anyway , we need a navy , but before we get one we need to get factories so we can build banks to fund the navy

have a nice day

Shiber is offline Shiber
Emperor
Haifa, Israel
Jul 2002
time: 07:24
  Old Post 22-12-2002 19:25
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#7 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

It's never a good idea to use ICBMs if you can help it. They permenantly increase the global warming factor and they eventually backfire.
There are tons of threads in the strategy forum about this.

panag is offline panag
Emperor
MY WORDS ARE BACKED WITH BIO-CHEMICAL WEAPONS
Oct 2000
time: 07:24
  Old Post 22-12-2002 19:33 Visit panag's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#8 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

quote:
Originally posted by Shiber
It's never a good idea to use ICBMs if you can help it. They permenantly increase the global warming factor and they eventually backfire.
There are tons of threads in the strategy forum about this.


hi ,

where does it mention the use of them , WHERE ? , no where it does , ....... and so what , if the other species decide the usem , they use them , so we need a deterence , .......

there is tons of threads that mention that you should have something to let the other think about when he uses a nuke , .....

have a nice day

Shiber is offline Shiber
Emperor
Haifa, Israel
Jul 2002
time: 07:24
  Old Post 22-12-2002 20:20
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#9 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

Yes, we should certainly build a large stock of ICBMs once we discover the necessary technologies, but IMHO that should only be done in order to increase our power rating in the histograph and to deter other nations from attacking us, just like you said.
However, if that's the case then there's no need for lots of nuclear subs with nukes packed into them. I mean, the subs themselves would be nice as means to detect other subs before we start building AEGIS cruisers, but not as carriers for nukes. I for one would prefer to use bombers launched from aircraft carriers that are backed up by a destroyer or two, or a battleship.

quote:
Originally posted by panag
where does it mention the use of them , WHERE ? , no where it does , .......


Maybe you weren't very clear, or maybe it was my fault for not getting your drift.
In any case, I apologize for this misunderstanding.

panag is offline panag
Emperor
MY WORDS ARE BACKED WITH BIO-CHEMICAL WEAPONS
Oct 2000
time: 07:24
  Old Post 23-12-2002 19:25 Visit panag's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#10 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

quote:
Originally posted by Shiber
Yes, we should certainly build a large stock of ICBMs once we discover the necessary technologies, but IMHO that should only be done in order to increase our power rating in the histograph and to deter other nations from attacking us, just like you said.
However, if that's the case then there's no need for lots of nuclear subs with nukes packed into them. I mean, the subs themselves would be nice as means to detect other subs before we start building AEGIS cruisers, but not as carriers for nukes. I for one would prefer to use bombers launched from aircraft carriers that are backed up by a destroyer or two, or a battleship.



Maybe you weren't very clear, or maybe it was my fault for not getting your drift.
In any case, I apologize for this misunderstanding.


you aplogize but still speak about drift , well who is on a drift here

now , go and pick on some else all the time , there are plenty of people here you can try with

and would you stay on topic instead of bashing all the time certain posters , ....

thanks , and an answer is not needed

Shiber is offline Shiber
Emperor
Haifa, Israel
Jul 2002
time: 07:24
  Old Post 23-12-2002 19:57
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#11 Report this post to a moderator
Get a bigger avatar today!

quote:
Originally posted by panag
you aplogize but still speak about drift , well who is on a drift here


You completely misunderstood my expression. To get someone's drift means to understand what he was talking about. In short, what I said was that perhaps you weren't very clear, or perhaps it was my fault for misunderstanding you.

quote:

now , go and pick on some else all the time , there are plenty of people here you can try with


Excuse me, is disagreeing with you now considered picking on you?
I disagreed with your views regarding the plans for the future composition of our navy. I did not attempt to insult you in any way, but it's not my fault if you have chosen to be insulted, or to interpret my words in a way that would sound insulting.

quote:

and would you stay on topic instead of bashing all the time certain posters , ....


I was exactly on topic, which was our plans for the future composition of our navy. I was disagreeing on your view that we should have nuclear subs in our navy in the future, and you call that off-topic talk?
I was not bashing you either. I did not once use mean, sarcastic or otherwise offensive language in this thread. Your statement is completely baseless.

quote:

thanks , and an answer is not needed


Funny, you're the one who always says that I "have to say the last word", but then you do the same yourself. You accuse me of bashing you in purpose and of spamming this thread with off-topic discussions and then you try to end the discussion with that conclusion.

Epistax is offline Epistax

Prince
of Bananas
May 2001
time: 00:24
  Old Post 24-12-2002 05:46
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#12 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

nz_upy is offline nz_upy
Warlord
Some backwater sheepstation in the wop wops
Sep 2002
time: 05:24
  Old Post 24-12-2002 13:13
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#13 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Israelis fighting amongst themselves what is new.
that is all

Shiber is offline Shiber
Emperor
Haifa, Israel
Jul 2002
time: 07:24
  Old Post 24-12-2002 14:35
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#14 Report this post to a moderator
Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

Okay, let's get back to topic.
How do you think our navy should look like in the future?
We'd obviously need a transport or two to carry out the assault on Zululand. The question is - do we also want marines to go with the transport so that we can execute amphibious assaults in tactical locations, or can we simply rely on the brute force of tanks?
We're also gonna need at least two destroyers to escort the transport(s). The question is, do we want more destroyers, to use as interceptors of enemy vessels, and possible seaport blockers?
Moving on, we have the big bad battleships. Having them in handy would sure be nice thanks to their awesome bombardment capabilities. But again, I ask: do we want battleships, or can we do with the bombardment capabilities of our trusty artillery (which we already have in large quantities)?
And finally, aircraft carriers. Again, do we want to make the investment or can we rely on our land forces?

Meshelic is offline Meshelic
King
Bringer of Peace, Destroyer of Worlds
Sep 2002
time: 21:24
  Old Post 24-12-2002 15:40
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#15 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

Unless we plan on invading Japan, China or India, there is no need for aircraft carriers. Transports full of marines/infantry protected by a score of destroyers, battleships, and AEGIS cruisers will do fine.

Again, depending on who we war with, the use of multiple destroyers/battleships/AEGIS cruisers depends solely on this. If we seek control of the entire continent then tanks are the way to go, supported by artillery, infantry and (someday) air units.

Panzer32 is offline Panzer32
Emperor
Queens University, Kingston, Ontario
Oct 2002
time: 00:24
  Old Post 24-12-2002 19:24
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#16 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

Our navy transport fleet should be big enough to take 5 cities within 10 turns anywhere in the world. I am thinking of there being 3 transports with escorts per fleet, with a fleet in Tarsus/Susa, Port of Where Its At, and a backup one in either Uber Isle or Mingapulco area.

panag is offline panag
Emperor
MY WORDS ARE BACKED WITH BIO-CHEMICAL WEAPONS
Oct 2000
time: 07:24
  Old Post 24-12-2002 23:07 Visit panag's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#17 Report this post to a moderator
Tired of ads?

hi ,

we shall always need aircraft carrier , not only to patrol and attack fleets or invasion forces when they are on the way , but also to flex our muscle on the other side of the planet , ........

we shall need about 8 of them , its better to start to build them when we can , .......

this way we can send them to predesignated spots not to far from the areas where they shall be put in action , ....

each group should have two subs and two aegis and three maybe more battleships , a couple transports later on in predesignated spots might be usefull to but they are not a priority right now , .... we should also protect our shores with subs as to prevend enemy subs of coming to close to launch some nukes , we our selfs should send at least 20 nuclear subs with a "special" out to act as a deterent , ....

have a nice "we need a navy now" day

Meshelic is offline Meshelic
King
Bringer of Peace, Destroyer of Worlds
Sep 2002
time: 21:24
  Old Post 25-12-2002 03:27
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#18 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

quote:
Originally posted by panag
hi ,

we shall always need aircraft carrier , not only to patrol and attack fleets or invasion forces when they are on the way , but also to flex our muscle on the other side of the planet , ........

we shall need about 8 of them , its better to start to build them when we can , .......

this way we can send them to predesignated spots not to far from the areas where they shall be put in action , ....

each group should have two subs and two aegis and three maybe more battleships , a couple transports later on in predesignated spots might be usefull to but they are not a priority right now , .... we should also protect our shores with subs as to prevend enemy subs of coming to close to launch some nukes , we our selfs should send at least 20 nuclear subs with a "special" out to act as a deterent , ....

have a nice "we need a navy now" day


I have a feeling that by the time those units become available to us, there will be few nations in the world who can even oppose us, let alone build a Navy or Air Force that can stand up to our own.

panag is offline panag
Emperor
MY WORDS ARE BACKED WITH BIO-CHEMICAL WEAPONS
Oct 2000
time: 07:24
  Old Post 25-12-2002 03:55 Visit panag's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#19 Report this post to a moderator
Suffering from ads?

quote:
Originally posted by Meshelic


I have a feeling that by the time those units become available to us, there will be few nations in the world who can even oppose us, let alone build a Navy or Air Force that can stand up to our own.


hi ,

well there shall be little remants or pockets of species that we need to show ones in a while who we are , .....

and since that day is so long away , well we shall need a serious armed forces , including naval and airforce support , ....

have a nice day

  < Last Thread     Next Thread > Post New Thread     Post A Reply
All times are GMT. The time now is 05:24.
Apolyton Time is 00:24.
    top of page
Rate This Thread:
archivepost
Forum Jump:
Forum Rules:
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is ON
vB code is ON
Smilies are ON
[IMG] code is ON
 




Contact Us - Apolyton Civilization Site - Support Us!

Building a better Apolyton through better information. Click here and take our poll!
Non-US visitors, click here!

Powered by: vBulletin Version 2.0.3
Copyright ©2000, 2001, Jelsoft Enterprises Limited.

Page generated in 0.0497 seconds (90.79% PHP - 9.21% MySQL) with 31 queries
Page Loading Time:

Support Apolyton: Amazon USA | Amazon UK | Amazon DE | Amazon FR |
Support Apolyton and get FREE PLUS, Buy from Chips&Bits: Galactic Civilizations | Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition | Call to Power 2 | Civilization: The Boardgame | GURPS/ Alpha Centauri | Alpha Centauri | Civilization IV | Civilization III: Complete |


Front Page | Civilization IV | Civilization III | Civilization II | Call to Power II | Alpha Centauri | Master of Orion III
Rise of Nations | Galactic Civilizations | Galactic Civilizations II | Misc
Alt.Civs | Civ I | C:CtP I | About | News | Directory | Apolyton Store | Forums | Chat | Columns | Interviews | Newsletter
Scenario League | CSC | Clash of Civs | Spanish Site | CtP Maps | Cradle of Civ | WesW's Ctp1/2 Site | Civ3 Haven

apolyton.net | apolyton.com | civilization2.net | civilization3.net | civilization4.net | civilizationiv.info | calltopower.net | galciv.net | galciv2.net | moo3.net