22-12-2002 17:02									#1
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Please note that only outside temperatures counts (so no, saunas and freezers doesn't ). And you must actually be outside in that temperature for it to count.

Well, for me it is:
Hottest: +44,5 (Celcius) in Las Vegas (+112 Farenheit)
Coldest: -30 (Celcius) in Moscow (-22 Farenheit)

	22-12-2002 17:07									#2
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Hottest = around +40 Athens
Coldest = around -18 Bruxelles

Perfectly comfortable at around... 24

	22-12-2002 17:11									#3
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Never conciously thought about it, but I've never been in a proper desert area so the highest in-shade temperature is around 35-37 degrees C, in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania during the long dry season ("Summer", nov-feb, average daytime temp c:a 32 degrees C, 100% humidity...). I don't think I've ever been in a temperature under -25, but if I was it was probably during the long, clod winter of '86 here in Stockholm.

	22-12-2002 17:13									#4
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Hey yo Paiktis, Brussels is originally a Flemish city, so it's Brussel, not Bruxelles

Unfortunately, the Walloons are trying to make the city French because it's an economic powerhouse sad...

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Actually, I think it's edged up towards 40 degrees in Hungary when I've been there... Damn Kánikula (special weather of the carpathian basin consisting of stifling, totally windless heat).

	22-12-2002 17:16									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Trajanus Hey yo Paiktis, Brussels is originally a Flemish city, so it's Brussel, not Bruxelles Unfortunately, the Walloons are trying to make the city French because it's an economic powerhouse sad...

Would you reply back to me Trajanus if I dared to speak french to you, I wonder?

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quote: Originally posted by Trajanus Hey yo Paiktis, Brussels is originally a Flemish city, so it's Brussel, not Bruxelles Unfortunately, the Walloons are trying to make the city French because it's an economic powerhouse sad...

The british have a tendency to call everything by the French names (Brügge -> Bruges, etc.). If I hear Basel pronounced "Baal" again I think I might scream.

	22-12-2002 17:48									#8
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quote: Would you reply back to me Trajanus if I dared to speak french to you, I wonder?

Well, I would, but I would reply in English...

Btw I've no problems with our French fellows, but I do find they're a bit arrogant simetimes

for example, they're trying to make everybody else in the world think Brussels is a Walloon city, but it isn't!

A funny example is our ryanair airport in Charleroi, Wallonia, anyway they call it Brussels-South, But it's 1,5 hours driving from Brussels , and in our tiny country that's the other end of the country

	22-12-2002 17:56									#9
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Hottest, 46oC, Cairo, Egypt

Coldest, -20oC Bridlington, England.

	22-12-2002 17:59									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Trajanus Well, I would, but I would reply in English...

Oh you're a typical Flamant n'est pas? (OK don't hit me on the head - just joking )

quote: Btw I've no problems with our French fellows, but I do find they're a bit arrogant simetimes

Ok maybe it is also the history of the french language imperialism...

But it is YOU, yes YOU who don't put up signs in both Dutch and french in your municipalities whereas the Walloons do

quote: for example, they're trying to make everybody else in the world think Brussels is a Walloon city, but it isn't!

Well I've lived for 5 years in Anderlecht (sp?) and I know it's not just a Walloon city so you can relax

Still Brussels ( ) is the only place that Flemish people will talk back to you in french if you do. Anywhere else in Flandres, forget it! (That includes clubs in Antwerp BTW - Don't give the order in french! You'll never get your drinks )

quote: A funny example is our ryanair airport in Charleroi, Wallonia, anyway they call it Brussels-South, But it's 1,5 hours driving from Brussels , and in our tiny country that's the other end of the country

OK, playing a bit devil's advocate here but Charleroi IS in Wallonia isn't it?

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BTW I've also stayed in Leuven for a year. Probably one of the best years of my life so far.

The real Leuven not the "new" fake one

(feel better? )

	22-12-2002 18:12									#12
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quote: But it is YOU, yes YOU who don't put up signs in both Dutch and french in your municipalities whereas the Walloons do

Uh!! what?? Man we even do French subtitles in our Flemish cinemas, whereas the Walloons just dub it so you get horrible French voice-overs!!!

quote: Still Brussels ( ) is the only place that Flemish people will talk back to you in french if you do. Anywhere else in Flandres, forget it! (That includes clubs in Antwerp BTW - Don't give the order in french! You'll never get your drinks )

Well, don't go asking anything in dutch in Wallonia, they won't understand ya... In Flanders there is a good chance they will know what you want - at least.
Btw: Antwerp has quite much French shops and clubs because it's chique.. that surprises me..

quote: OK, playing a bit devil's advocate here but Charleroi IS in Wallonia isn't it?

That's my whole point, They're trying to connect Brussels to Wallonia in every possible way they can!

PS: You may not have noticed it in Anderlecht (Anderlecht is not quite a beautiful place to live but hey, no problem ) but there are very few walloons that speak good Flemish... In Flemish schools everybody has French, obligatory! In Wallonia they get to choose between English and dutch, most choose English.. even those who take dutch courses don't know crap of it when they leave school.
I know more Arabic immigrants that speak dutch than I know Walloons.. And learning dutch when you're arab is not a fking easy thing...


dutch is quite hard though, I have heard.. En tout cas, ici en Flandres, on a pas de problčmes ŕ apprendre le français
So paiktis, you speak French then?

Well that's nice... How come you wound up in this shithole called Belgium?

	22-12-2002 18:15									#13
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	22-12-2002 18:22									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Trajanus Uh!! what?? Man we even do French subtitles in our Flemish cinemas, whereas the Walloons just dub it so you get horrible French voice-overs!!!

that's just because it's not financially feasable to get dutch voice - overs - - whereas France with 50 million or sopeople can do it

Anyway, if you want the original english you can go to Eldorado (is it still open I wonder ) if you want french voice - overs you can go to the (ah forgot the name - it's right next street - City?) and watch it in french.

I agree though, english with subtitles is better.

quote: PS: You may not have noticed it in Anderlecht (Anderlecht is not quite a beautiful place to live but hey, no problem )

Hey I'm sure Ucles next to the European School is very nice but we took the first house we found and then we got used to it and didn't want to leave. It was a very nice district in Anderlecht though, I have no complains whatsoever

quote: but there are very few walloons that speak good Flemish... In Flemish schools everybody has French, obligatory! In Wallonia they get to choose between English and dutch, most choose English.. even those who take dutch courses don't know crap of it when they leave school.

I thought both Flemish and Walloons had to learn eachothers language obligatory?
But you have divided your educational systems almost completely AFAIK.

quote: So paiktis, you speak French then?

How could you watch Rue de la fortune (or something) in TF1 and not learn something?

quote: Well that's nice... How come you wound up in this shithole called Belgium?

I grew up there basically. My mom was an educator there and then I came back for my post graduat studies.

And it's a great place
(just stay away from midi and guard du nord )

	22-12-2002 18:29									#15
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Oh yes, I've been to Egypt too. And the relevant desert. That was hottish.

Trajanus, Ryanair's two "Stockholm" airports are 120 km from the city each, one to the west and one to the southwest. So is "London" Stansted. I think it's a Ryanair thing, not a Walloon thing.

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hottest 46 celsius in Malta
coldest...-10 celsius or so.

	22-12-2002 18:42									#17
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It was something like -40 celsius or -50 with windfactor on one of my trips to B.C. (Looking at the number, I think I may be exagerating.... but remembering what it was like, I think I may be underestimating.)


I've also been to florida during a heatwave, it was probably something like 40 degrees there. (or at least high 30s)

	22-12-2002 18:45									#18
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LOL!

quote: that's just because it's not financially feasable to get dutch voice - overs - - whereas France with 50 million or sopeople can do it

Maybe, but well, there are 15 million dutch ppl huh (or was it 18 million, i don't know), that and the 5,9 million Flemish... should make it worthwhile... nah it's just something we don't like...

quote: I thought both Flemish and Walloons had to learn eachothers language obligatory?

I guess not. Most of the Walloon top politicians can't even speak dutch (ministers and all!!). There are of course a few who do, and another minister that does an effort to learn, but in general, it's quite poor... Our kings and princes speak bad dutch as well, they can only speak a bit if someone else has prepared their speech, which is pretty pathetic.

But again: Those are bad qualities of the Walloons, but I'm sure we have bad things on us too... I'm just being honest

Btw hottest: must be in Death Valley/Egypt.. surely about 40 degrees
coldest, probably a snow storm in january in the French alps at night (we were kinda uh.. going hors-piste, lol) that was cold, maybe 20 degrees below, maybe a bit less, but seriously cold though, when you're on the outside

	22-12-2002 18:53									#19
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+40C something at Washington DC.
-30 C + something some years ago in Lappland. Real temperature was lot worse, since it was windy as hell.

	22-12-2002 18:53									#20
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Maybe

The bad thing about the Flemish is that you are too nationalistic (or should I say localistic!) with that language/Flemish thingy
That's the impression you give to non Belgians at least.

But anyway I never really got to see that movie (what's its name?) where it explains the whole language imperialistic thingy of the mechants Walloons so I can't say

BTW where from Belgium are you from Trajanus?
If not Brussels!, I guess: Antwerp?

	22-12-2002 19:01									#21
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That I can remember :
Coldest - ~10C in Prague.
Hottest - ~47 in Eilat this summer, with 100% humidity.

In Russia is was many times below zero(duh), but I was maximum 5 years old so I dont remember the feeling.

	22-12-2002 19:04									#22
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Hottest 49C in Nevada (surprising given the meaning). Never go to Vegas in July/August.

Coldest, erm not sure, probably during some cold snap when I was living in Connecticut, however cold that gets.

	22-12-2002 19:09									#23
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Sagacious Dolphin, I exacly was in Vegas in July . You shouldn't go to Russia, especially Siberia, in winter also BTW. In Yakutia temperature falls to -55 constantly and sometimes in certain place s to -70... And people are living there, cities has 100'000 - 300'000 citizens...

Paiktis and Trajanus, you are threadjackers actually

	22-12-2002 19:24									#24
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Hottest: 45C (Desert in California, at least it was really dry and not humid)
Coldest: -15C (20,000 Feet at a mountain in Ecuador, snow prevalent)

	22-12-2002 19:25									#25
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Hmm.

Coldest would be below -60 F (below -50 C). Comes from having live in the mountains at over a mile above sea level.

Hottest would be above 110 F (about 44 C).

I much prefer the high end of the scale to the low...

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	22-12-2002 19:39									#26
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Coldest was around -80C while living in Wasaga Beach Ontario one winter. Thats so cold there was a warning not to go outside. The coldest I actually worked in was about -50C (plastic bags break like glass) in the interior of British Columbia. Hottest was aboout 44C here in sunny Alabama.

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Probably you meant -80F, because I doubt there could be -80C in Ontario (Nunavut, Northwest Territories probably but even there that shouldn't be ussual thing)

	22-12-2002 19:51									#28
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I doubt he meant -80F or -80C, that isn't possible in the Arctic area, let alone in Canada.

Go to the Vostok Station in Antarctica and the coldest temperature ever was -89.6C.

	22-12-2002 20:03									#29
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quote: BTW where from Belgium are you from Trajanus?

Yeah i come from the province of Antwerp.. Actually on the border between Antwerp and Brabant, near the city Mechelen.

I'm not nationalistic at all (god that's the last thing i'll ever be), there are simply things that are annoying for us (it's always us that have to adapt to the Walloons because they don't speak dutch enough), nothing more.

Problem is that just 50 years ago, we were still a bit oppressed by the Walloons (higher education was French only etc), but now that the tide had turned so quickly, and the Flemish became rich, and the Steel, and Coal industry of Wallonia faded, with the mines closing etc, many Flemish people want revenge and want the Walloons out, a thing i absolutely don't want.

Het Vlaams Blok, our extreme right party, that wants independence of Flanders, is already the third largest party in Flanders... pretty sad, because other than that they are racist, and a whole bunch of other things... I compare them a bit to Sharon's policy of political idiocy and wrecking your own country by trying to remove fellow citizens from your country.


But: When the Walloons ruled Belgium, life wasn't fair for the Flemish, and that's a fact , it's all in the books!

	22-12-2002 20:39									#30
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My wife tells me that was the temp with wind chill. I couldnt find an exact temp but this is the closest from Toronto in the same year.

1981 -31.3C in Toronto, Toronto's lowest temperature on record.

Toronto is a lot warmer than Wasaga Beach (which is on Georgian Bay). Just a little way north around the bay are towns that claim to be the coldest places in Canada.

During winter, Wasaga Beach is blasted by gale force winds blowing off the bay and 1981 was a very cold year. I would guess then that the air temp was -50C and -80 with wind chill. The coldest wind chill temp ever recorded in Canada is below -90.