22-12-2002 19:58									#1
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i has looked at the sav and i think we need to upgrade our garrison all over the place....currently most of our bases only have a scout patrol [1-1-1] as a garrison. i would like to propose to change that to [1-3-1+police] we havent build such a unit before so it will cost us a lot because we need to prototype it....if need be i will use one of the bases in my region to test this unit....ones prototyped it will only cost us 50 Ec per scout patrol to be upgraded...so it will cost some thing like 15x50= 750Ec to upgrade them all (exact number will come). this will help us deal with drone riots that will come soon. also it protect our bases better against attack of the hive. if we are in a hurry we can rush the prototype upgrade for 320 Ec. i think that most medium bases will get drone riots soon and with these police units we can deal with them.

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	22-12-2002 20:51									#2
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Personally I don't see the need to upgrade all garrisons. Sure, if we are at war with a neighbouring faction and that faction might drop forces near our frontier bases, then it's a good idea to upgrade garrisons with the best armour we have. But not at all bases. I would consider it a waste of the taxpayer's money if we would upgrade all our garrisons every time we invent an armour improvement. If a base is in danger of rioting, I'd suggest upgrading the garrison to 1-1-1 police, for a mere 10 energy credits. Other upgrades are currently useless and an inefficient use of our money IMO.

	22-12-2002 21:08									#3
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well you are right that upgrading every base is very expensive and doesnt need to be done every time we get new armor....but by giving medium bases the [1-3-1+police] we strike 2 blows in one...we give them the protection the need and deserve and we handle with any drone problems that arise...if we would use [1-1-1+police] and an [1-3-1] it will only cut in our productivity. so that is why i propose this idea. when we are only looking at the medium bases then we would have around 8 to 10 bases that come to our attention. and because some medium bases already have police units and more than one garrison it would mean that we would only need around 6-7 upgrades. that would mean 7x50=350 Ec i think we can spare that kind of money right now

	22-12-2002 21:51									#4
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I'd like to suggest fully upgrading [1-3-1 Police] in our north bases in case of invasion of the Hive. In other bases 1-1-1 Police should be enough.

	23-12-2002 00:41									#5
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I don’t believe a full upgrade of all units is necessary at this time, if a governor feels that the security of a base is threatened then let them build new defensive units rather than upgrade the old ones. There’s no current need to expend that many energy credits on upgrading any units when we can build them.

	23-12-2002 05:29									#6
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Actually, Voltaire, building new units tends to be far more expensive than upgrading the old ones, unless the new unit in question is very expensive and/or a prototype.

	23-12-2002 05:33									#7
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quote: Originally posted by GeneralTacticus Actually, Voltaire, building new units tends to be far more expensive than upgrading the old ones, unless the new unit in question is very expensive and/or a prototype.

Sorry, I should have made myself clearer. I oppose a mass upgrade of all units, we don’t need it, and so why not let the governors have the discretion of deciding if they want to build a new or upgrade the existing garrisons in their respective regions?

	23-12-2002 05:34									#8
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No reason not to at all.

	23-12-2002 05:36									#9
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On the topic of offensive units, when is or is the Director of Peacekeeping Operations planning an invasion of the Hive? There’s been much talk about this, but I’ve heard nothing official.

	23-12-2002 05:38									#10
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I would guess sometime off in the future, rather than now, because we still don't have the tech we really need for a successful invasion (Doc:Initiative, SFF, SST(?), & D:AP) yet, and won't for some time.

	23-12-2002 16:16									#11
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voltaire i will not plan an attack on the Hive before we have a large enough army and the proper techs

	23-12-2002 20:22									#12
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quote: Originally posted by DeathByTheSword if we would use [1-1-1+police] and an [1-3-1] it will only cut in our productivity.

My point is we don't need 1-3-1 in every base, just in threatened border bases. In those few frontier bases 1-3pol-1s are indeed a good idea. Otherwise simple 1-1pol-1s suffice.

	24-12-2002 19:18									#13
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Upgrade in threatened frontier bases to 1-3 pol -1 as suggested. We will also be getting the CDF soon.

	25-12-2002 00:20									#14
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I agree with Maniac, no need ATM for anything better than 1-1-1 police units in interior bases. Upgrade vulnerable bases 1-3-1 however.

	25-12-2002 02:00									#15
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might as well make them trance though. it's free, so why not?

	25-12-2002 06:34									#16
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We don't have neural grafting yet, so we can't have trance police

	25-12-2002 06:41									#17
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ey, you know what i mean

if we use FM though, the police will be a waste of minerals. non-leathal doubles police powers, so what's 2x0? probably the main reason i never use police units

	25-12-2002 06:56									#18
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Yes, but that involves us going to FM (and if we use police units, and rely on them, it's another reason why we shouldn't go to FM )

	25-12-2002 07:08									#19
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well, we shouldn't rely on them, and we can use psych allocation. but anyways, i don't want to start this again

	27-12-2002 18:51									#20
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Agreed with TKG. Once we have the tech for it, no defensive unit in the early game beats an FM-Wealth-CC 1-3+t-1 (ie. Plasma w/ ECM and Trance). Costs the same as a standard 1-3t-1 too.

	27-12-2002 21:58									#21
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ok but TKG what do you think about some upgrading of frontier units?

	27-12-2002 23:59									#22
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uhm, sure. to 1-3t-1's, or 1-3+t-1's after neural grafting

	30-12-2002 06:23									#23
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Well we don't have the tech for it yet so there

	30-12-2002 06:30									#24
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Just saw the posts previous to this, so now unsure of timing.