23-12-2002 20:31									#1
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More than two-thirds of British Muslims surveyed consider the war on terrorism a war against Islam, a poll conducted for the British Broadcasting Corp. showed Monday.

The ICM survey of 500 people also revealed that more than half of British Muslims believe Osama bin Laden's al-Qaida network should not have been blamed for the Sept. 11 attacks in New York and Washington.

However, 11 percent said they believed further attacks against the United States by al-Qaida or similar groups would be justified, and 8 percent said such attacks would be justified against Britain.




I agree. Bring it on I say. Each and every attack against the US is just another reason the US has to tighten its grip on total global control - as if we need one, but it does make it easrier.

	23-12-2002 20:34									#2
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MWH CIV, you are presenting like 11% would be a majority...

Remember, 11% of Americand doesn't knows that Washington is capital but yet you don't call every American dumb.

	23-12-2002 20:34									#3
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quote: The ICM survey of 500 people also revealed that more than half of British Muslims believe Osama bin Laden's al-Qaida network should not have been blamed for the Sept. 11 attacks in New York and Washington.

brilliant. this is almost as humorous as the people who deny the holocaust ever happened.

is britian harboring terrorists?

	23-12-2002 20:36									#4
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but one could... and that's 11% of British Muslims. Go to the middle east and that number climbs fast.

hey, all i'm saying is that i agree.

	23-12-2002 21:20									#5
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What I am saying is that 5%-15% is a natural minority of any mediocre dumb question into which there are only two possible answers. I believe if in America you'd ask "should we nuke axis of evil?" the number of people who'd answer yes would be also between 5%-15%. Probably about the sae results you'd get if you'd ask "was Hitler a good politician?" in Germany. Of course if questions are dumber that percent could be lower (I mean questions like "should we nuke all the world?"), but I doubt it would be ever lower than 5% if only two possible answers are available, cause the dumber is question, the more people will choose dumb answer as a joke.

As a proove of what I am saying, try to ask some very dumb question on Apolyton as a poll with only two available answers, without banana option...

	23-12-2002 21:23									#6
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i see what you're saying... you're probably correct.

	23-12-2002 23:11									#7
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It's not about those 11%... It's about those 2/3.

	24-12-2002 00:04									#8
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quote: 8 percent said such attacks would be justified against Britain.

Those 8 percent should be chucked out of the country...

	24-12-2002 00:40									#9
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Hmm, a simmilar zogby poll taken recently of Arab-Americans found that about 60 or 70% believe that the war is on terrorism and not islam.

	24-12-2002 00:51									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Edan Hmm, a simmilar zogby poll taken recently of Arab-Americans found that about 60 or 70% believe that the war is on terrorism and not islam.

that leaves 30 to 40% believing something else.

Polls suck, the questions are slanted to get certain
results in the first place. If you keep taking polls
all the time, you always have something sensational
to print on a slow news day.

	24-12-2002 02:49									#11
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Most Muslim-Americans (Just "Americans" from my point of view, but I digress) I've met are somewhat conservative in tint, and are salivating at the prospect of "regime Changing" Hussein's ass.

Though the still dislike Israel to the point of fanaticism. In that case, blood IS thicker than water, although I think both sides should be sent to sit in the corner for the rest of the 21st century.

	24-12-2002 02:56									#12
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, but mommy, You said it was ok.... *cries*

	24-12-2002 03:06									#13
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"You've made your bed, now you have to sleep in it."

	24-12-2002 03:12									#14
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Lonestar, it is obvious if I would be Palestinian I would also hate Israel, I think most of people would. Probably it's just very hard to imagine for people whose countries were never occupied what is to be annexed. Especially this is very hard for annexed countries if religion, ethnicity and politics of both countries differs. I lived under such an occupation so I know it. Although some would object my following statement, I even believe that many people on this forum if they had been born in Palestine would also support terrorism. Friends'/other respected people statements, cruelity of occupying nation against occupied people in everyday's life would create such a pro-terroristic opinion.
I myself will not lie, if someone would annex my country (Lithuania) and they would be as cruel as Soviets (South African Apartheid, Israel, etc.) with my people, I myself although wouldn't do suicide terroristic acts (probably you'll call me "chicken" but I don't think I would be able to commit a suicide), I would most certainly call a man who would implode himself in the middle of "occupants" people a National Hero, not a terrorist.

Sep 11 is a different issue however as USA didn't occupied Afghanistan at a time.

	24-12-2002 03:23									#15
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I'd argue that Israel was in the process of letting the West Bank and Gaza spin off (like the Sovs with you Baltics) When the Palestinians decided to start blowing up school buses and clubs full of teenagers.

But let's not hijack the thread.

	24-12-2002 03:27									#16
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Lets see....

Oct 7, 1571: Battle of Lepanto, Ottoman Turks defeated by the Papal Navy in the largest navy combat before Normandy.

Sept 11, 1683: Muslim Army was defeated by the Holy Roman Empire lead by John Sobieski of Poland outside Vienna.

Sept 11, 2001... Round 3...*DING*

Perhaps muslims should know when to quit.

	24-12-2002 03:29									#17
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Do you mean SOviets were in the process of spin off when Lithuanians started blow busses and clubs? . Well, I guess I've just understood it wrong at first.

As for Israeli situation, I think these blowings were just used as pretext to stop peace dealings. Such explotions could happen anytime in any occupied country. This is a very popular tale about that "Palestinians doesn't wants peace cause they started blowing everything once peace solution was almost decided". It seems this is the most popular between Americans, not even Israelis themselves. At least I mostly hear that from Americans in most forums, not Israelis. That is yet another thing that shows that this is an urban legend - Jews lives there so they knows the situation better. Read some politological work on middle east politics - in almost every this way of thinking is also proved wrong.

	24-12-2002 06:09									#18
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Wow I haven't seen MWHC and Lonestar for ages.....

	24-12-2002 06:11									#19
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quote: brilliant. this is almost as humorous as the people who deny the holocaust ever happened.

BS. There is an abundance of evidence that the Holocaust occurred. There is no solid evidence as to who committed Sept. 11 (and circumstantial evidence points to the US government).

	24-12-2002 06:12									#20
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quote: is britian harboring terrorists?

Yes. Among them Tony Blair and (IIRC) Pinochet.

	24-12-2002 06:15									#21
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quote: Perhaps muslims should know when to quit.

Perhaps it is the Christians who should know how to quit. Last I saw, Istabul (sorry Constantinople ) was still in Muslim hands.

And the fact that the Muslims got to Vienna in 1600s says something about the victories, or lack thereof, of the Christians .

I also remember something about sacking Rome as well .

	24-12-2002 06:17									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Thrawn05 Lets see.... Oct 7, 1571: Battle of Lepanto, Ottoman Turks defeated by the Papal Navy in the largest navy combat before Normandy. Sept 11, 1683: Muslim Army was defeated by the Holy Roman Empire lead by John Sobieski of Poland outside Vienna. Sept 11, 2001... Round 3...*DING* Perhaps muslims should know when to quit.

ain't that the truth...

	24-12-2002 07:30									#23
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quote: Originally posted by GeneralTacticus BS. There is an abundance of evidence that the Holocaust occurred. There is no solid evidence as to who committed Sept. 11 (and circumstantial evidence points to the US government).

What, Osama bin Laden saying so on video isn't good enough?

quote: Wow I haven't seen MWHC and Lonestar for ages.....

Been busy defending democracy and whatnot.

quote: Perhaps it is the Christians who should know how to quit. Last I saw, Istabul (sorry Constantinople ) was still in Muslim hands. And the fact that the Muslims got to Vienna in 1600s says something about the victories, or lack thereof, of the Christians . I also remember something about sacking Rome as well .

BAM! Imran knocks one out of the park!

I'd say Christians and Muslims have a long history of bloodying each others' noses.

	24-12-2002 07:41									#24
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quote: What, Osama bin Laden saying so on video isn't good enough?

You mean the one 'found' by US troops in Afghanistan? From what I've read, there are serious doubts as to it's validity. And it certainly wouldn't be the first time the US government has fabricated attacks against itself to justify war...

	24-12-2002 07:48									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Lonestar I'd say Christians and Muslims have a long history of bloodying each others' noses.

At least WE learned to quit after the second Crusade.

quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui And the fact that the Muslims got to Vienna in 1600s says something about the victories, or lack thereof, of the Christians.

The same could be said in any turning point in any war. Your statment IMHO, lacks meaning to that particulay event.

	24-12-2002 07:50									#26
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quote: Originally posted by GeneralTacticus You mean the one 'found' by US troops in Afghanistan? From what I've read, there are serious doubts as to it's validity

Where was this from?

	24-12-2002 07:52									#27
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quote: Originally posted by GeneralTacticus You mean the one 'found' by US troops in Afghanistan? From what I've read, there are serious doubts as to it's validity. And it certainly wouldn't be the first time the US government has fabricated attacks against itself to justify war...

What a loose load! The U.S. Government attacked it's own civilians and military? What could possibly be worth taking the risk of being found out? You must be quite a fanatic to make such a stupid statement. It can't all be stupidity, as you wouldn't have been able to type your reply if you were so stupid as to believe that crap on its face.

	24-12-2002 07:53									#28
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quote: Originally posted by GeneralTacticus You mean the one 'found' by US troops in Afghanistan? From what I've read, there are serious doubts as to it's validity. And it certainly wouldn't be the first time the US government has fabricated attacks against itself to justify war...

I heard it was found by the SAS. Regardless, You remind me of that paranoid girl in The Dish who thought all Americans were in the employ of the CIA, including the one NASA guy who was there for the moon mission.

Of course, the moon mission is fake and it's being covered up by the same guys who're covering up Planet X


Go find a new horse.

	24-12-2002 07:58									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Lonestar Of course, the moon mission is fake and it's being covered up by the same guys who're covering up Planet X

I always like a good laugh.

	24-12-2002 08:00									#30
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The person who most wants this to be a war on Islam instead of a war on terrorism is Osama Bin Laden. Sucsess in the War on Terrorism depends on empowering moderate moslems who do not supoprt terrorism and going after Al Queda.