24-12-2002 02:13									#1
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I seem to recall in CtP (the original) that the amount of pollution you generated was recorded in the graph rankings. It even told you how far away from global disaster you were.

In CtP2 is there a way to view how heavily polluting other nations are? I can't seem to find it if there is. And are there any mods to graph the amount of pollution?

	24-12-2002 02:43									#2
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Unfortunatly this feature is missing in CTP2. You have on the main screen a pollution bar in the upper right corner. That tells you when the next disaster comes. But there is nothing more.

Unfortuantly it is not possible to mod this back as it is hard encoded, the only thing you could do is using some message boxes that tells the player every few turns or so the pollution rankings.

-Martin

	24-12-2002 03:39									#3
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You can see how much polution a civ is generating through the inteligence screen if you have an embassy with them. The bad thing is that you gotta check one by one.

	24-12-2002 04:12									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Pedrunn You can see how much polution a civ is generating through the inteligence screen if you have an embassy with them. The bad thing is that you gotta check one by one.

I didn't know that, probably because I don't use embassies too often. But it is still annoying not to have it in the power graph like in CTP1. Actual it is caculated in the rankings. I played a game without pollution by accident and realized half in the game therefore I used the cheat editor to turn the pollution on and every civs took some turns later a jump on the power graph.

-Martin

	24-12-2002 14:15									#5
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When I play MP with my brother we normally turn off embassies (i.e diplomats, empathic diplomats, world peace centre, spies). Mainly because we don't like the computer trading techs, and we never trade techs with each other. It also prevents stealing. Silly really.

OK so how do I get a script to state the pollution rankings, say every 15 turns?

	24-12-2002 16:11									#6
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Do you mean a messagebox with the ranking?

	24-12-2002 17:13									#7
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There was a small problem with the pollution rankings in CTP1 (in MP at least) - it allowed you to spot when your opponents changed government, and even (to a certain extent) into which government they changed.

	24-12-2002 18:37									#8
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The way around that would have been to rank the base pollution rate, before government type multipliers.

	24-12-2002 20:31									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Pedrunn Do you mean a messagebox with the ranking?

Yes a message box, IIRC I saw something like this in one of the slic files of the Apolyton Pack for CTP1. So this is possible and we had something like this for the general ranking in Civ2.

quote: Originally posted by J Bytheway There was a small problem with the pollution rankings in CTP1 (in MP at least) - it allowed you to spot when your opponents changed government, and even (to a certain extent) into which government they changed.

If we put something like this into the ranking message boxes we could run into such problem, too. But actual it would be a little bit harder to guess, because you don't have the visualisation of the power graph, so you would have to record this every time you get such a message.

quote: Originally posted by Sagacious Dolphin The way around that would have been to rank the base pollution rate, before government type multipliers.

It is possible to take the base pollution by divding through the government multipliers. But then we need the government detection code of Dale. The alternative would be to let know every player on government changes.

-Martin