24-12-2002 12:48									#1
	The Good, the Bad, and the Ugle Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

After my 3rd straight Emperor win (AU202) I decided to give Deity another chance.

All Hale the Great Green Machine



The Good,

	24-12-2002 12:50									#2
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The Bad,

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	24-12-2002 12:53									#4
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and the Ugle!

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	24-12-2002 21:42									#5
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Evil, evil Stack of Doom.

	24-12-2002 21:57									#6
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Does the game end at this point?? What happens??

	25-12-2002 00:30									#7
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Oh my.
A lot of strategy on deity through the early game seems to boil down to, stay out of the AI's way. Keep a low profile, and wait a few centuries or so (for superior human micro-management to s - l - o - w - l - y accumulate.
Not that I'm any kind of expert, though. I've faced similar SOD's myself. Good luck Jawa!

....
Jawa?
Anybody seen Jawa?
He was here just a minute ago. Over there, standing right near that light blue smear on the ground.

	25-12-2002 04:48									#8
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Ouch!

	25-12-2002 04:49									#9
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And I thought emperor was hard.

	27-12-2002 01:40									#10
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I'm sorry I still don't have time to write this up yet. Here is a quick summary

I was forced to retire by the atzecs. I could not make them happy diplomatically, and I don't stand a chance military wise. I was able to manage the Iroqoius as a neighbor put the Green Machine just kept rollling on.

	28-12-2002 19:50									#11
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I decided if I really want to get my 1st Deity win I should try an easier civ. Here is my 2nd attempt for a Deity win.

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	28-12-2002 19:53									#12
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A medium start. Flood plains can be a problem but also allow for fast growth. I decided to move to the plain across the river (couldn't remember if that helped disease or not).

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The move was good after all since it brought Ivory into range. Unfortunately the Carthages brought warriors over and popped two goodie huts before I could build my 1st warrior. Both huts popped barbs and I was swarmed. I lost my worker and some tile improvements. 7 Carthagian warrior came over in the next 5 turns and the game was quickly lost.

	28-12-2002 20:04									#14
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2 losses is not a big deal, so I'll try for a 3rd time. Beside I need to get a good Deity game up and running. I'm trying to start a statregy thread to encourage others to critique my play style. But this damn thread is turning into a story thread (about me losing)

	28-12-2002 20:05									#15
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3rd try - Egypt again

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	28-12-2002 20:08									#16
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I liked this start better. I'm still stuck on a flood plain but I have a possible IW start. Plenty of food and shields all I need to due is get that 2nd city up and running so all of my eggs are not in the same basket.

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	28-12-2002 20:13									#17
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Everything was going great and then... One turn away from finishing my settler disease struck. I lost 2 people and switched to temple. My worker was right next to a goodie hut. Remembering my last game when someone else popped my huts, I decided to pop it myself. Bad idea. Soon I found out I was alone on an island and decided to quit (this just won't help my chariot rush).

	28-12-2002 20:35									#18
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Dude your really having some tough luck with this

	28-12-2002 21:08									#19
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Obviously I had picked the wrong civ again. China is who I should be playing.

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	28-12-2002 21:09									#20
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Mountains, desert, and flood plains! How could this be any worse?

	28-12-2002 21:11									#21
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How about surrounding me with Jungles too

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	28-12-2002 21:14									#22
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The other civs on this land mass had great areas. Lots of Grassland. While this start have been an easy win on Monarchy, it would be quite a challenge for me on Emperor and since I'm playing Deity....

	28-12-2002 21:15									#23
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I wanted a better starting area so I re-tried China.

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	28-12-2002 21:17									#24
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Not bad. That goodie hut was empty. This time the Mongols got an insane start. They had 4 cities before my first one.

	28-12-2002 21:19									#25
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The Mongol horde forced my early retirement. Look at how many cities they have (Yellow). And keep in my I'm rexing AFAP.

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	31-12-2002 06:40									#26
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Back to my theory of needing the right civ. I'm going to try France with the idea that the Commercial trait will help since I can't outperform the AI in the early game.

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	31-12-2002 06:41									#27
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Okay how many times can I randomly be on a flood plain. And once again disease strikes the turn before my settler is complete.

	31-12-2002 06:47									#28
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For those of you keeping score I have lost 6 times (America, Egypt, Egypt, China, China, and France).

Lucky #7

This thread will now start being what it was supposed to be. Hopefully, my first Deity win.

	31-12-2002 07:22									#29
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No flood plains this time

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	31-12-2002 07:23									#30
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Keep it up Jawa. I'm sure its just a matter of time. The floodplains are screwing you.