25-12-2002 05:03									#1
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Well, other than peace and harmonious relationships with ALL of the nations that have the good fortune of sharing the same great landmass as the humble Spanish Civilization, all I want for Christmas from my fellow PTW Demo Game friends is to exchange copies of our minimaps.

I know my ambassadors have been asking. I know some of you have ignored them. Please don't ignore them. They are prideful Spaniards, yes, but deep down inside they have hearts. And all THEY really want for Christmas is to please their beloved despot.

And their beloved despot wants to know where the other civilizations are.

No, we don't want "maps", we want perspective locations so we can compare our place in the world to yours and send forth an expedition to meet and greet and exchange knowledge.

If the "map" part of minimap is a problem, we have created a solution. One clever lad from my tribe drew a black box the same size as these "minimaps" and placed our RP icon on the spot where our nation started.

So for all of you paranoid isolationist teams who feel that we are going to have some sort of dangerous "edge" over you if we see your minimap, feel free to exchange with us "locations" by creating a black box of the same dimensions as your minimap and placing a picture of your icon on the exact spot in that box that your nation began.

Your personal Roleplay Ambassador is awaiting your PM on this issue. He will be overjoyed to hear from you and will quickly facilitate the exchange. If he does not, tell me and I'll do it myself then I'll deal with my slacking, no-good, too-busy-over-the-holidays punk!

Merry Christmas!

--Togas

	25-12-2002 05:15									#2
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They will... never get... our... precious...

	25-12-2002 05:25									#3
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indeed.

Merry Christmas anyway Togas, and everyone else.

	25-12-2002 06:27									#4
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HAHAHA YOU WILL NEVER GET OUR MINIMAP

	25-12-2002 07:53									#5
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Ok then you GoW will never get ours.(maybe)

	25-12-2002 09:01									#6
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If everyone trades minimap with spaniards then roleplay team will be the sole team with knowledge of all teams whereabouts. then they can trade the information to other teams that dont have it, just like techs and communication.

If we're gonna do it it should be all publicized so all team gets the info so no one holds advantage. I dont like the sound of that...

	25-12-2002 15:52									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Trip They will... never get... our... precious...

Funniest post in a long time,

	25-12-2002 16:32									#8
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Maybe posting your mini-map here, will entice others to be more willing to share theirs
(not saying , they will, but they might)

	25-12-2002 18:24									#9
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all your mini-maps are belong to us!

	25-12-2002 19:01									#10
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All I want for christmas is a goody hut with a settler in it!

	25-12-2002 19:09									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Calc II If everyone trades minimap with spaniards then roleplay team will be the sole team with knowledge of all teams whereabouts. then they can trade the information to other teams that dont have it, just like techs and communication.

Paranoia at it's finest. I commend your team for it's brilliant isolationist policy. You'll definately win with that sort of attitude.

No, it seems we won't be receiving all of the other nations' minimaps for Christmas, but we will be sharing with a good many of the teams, making contact, and then trading actual assets like knowledge and gold. Those who have contacted us already and already traded with us know that we have kept their secret safe, as we have never offered up another team's mini-map.

Take a chance and trade with us so we can meet up. It's a win-win situation, as each of us gets more knowledge and gets contact for future exchanges. And who knows ... if we find out where 5 of the other teams are, we'll be able to estimate where Lux Invicta is, and that information, I promise, we will give to everyone for free.

--Togas

	25-12-2002 19:37									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Eli All I want for christmas is a goody hut with a settler in it!

All I want for christmas is a goody hut with a modern armor tank in it.
What's wrong with a little fantasizing?

	25-12-2002 20:44									#13
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quote: All I want for christmas is a goody hut with a modern armor tank in it.

Pfff... Everyone knows your tank will be defeated by a single Spearman.

	25-12-2002 20:54									#14
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Ah... you already have Bronze Working then...

	25-12-2002 23:08									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Shiber All I want for christmas is a goody hut with a modern armor tank in it.

"The friendly Goth tribe has given us an armored division!"

Now that'd be a goody hut.

	25-12-2002 23:11									#16
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Shiber, you were told not to leak, what we popped from the hut. Now it ain't a surprise anymore.

	25-12-2002 23:16									#17
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Now, I'll know what to expect when I see a giant pile of leaves moving towards me...

	25-12-2002 23:19									#18
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quote: Originally posted by BigFurryMonster Ah... you already have Bronze Working then...

Being the Persians, it's not much of a surprise.

	26-12-2002 00:23									#19
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quote: Originally posted by BigFurryMonster Now, I'll know what to expect when I see a giant pile of leaves moving towards me...

Actually, that would be the radar artillery.

	26-12-2002 02:06									#20
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A question to the roleplay team: I thought that a team of your nature would not trade maps (of any kind, including the one that Togas described) until you have discovered Map Making.
I strongly doubt that you've researched Map Making because it's a low priority tech. So, what's the deal here?

	26-12-2002 03:06									#21
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We have roleplayed the research and discovery of Minimap Making.

	26-12-2002 03:57									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Meshelic Funniest post in a long time,

That's saying a lot you know.

	26-12-2002 04:15									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Nimitz Ok then you GoW will never get ours.(maybe)

[rp]
OK, then you will never know from which direction we will attack you if you don't trade!!!
[/rp]

	26-12-2002 06:10									#24
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quote: Originally posted by DAVOUT We have roleplayed the research and discovery of Minimap Making.

Yep.

Actually, we discussed this at length and decided that it would be in our best interest to not hide away until writing and map making. And while the "map" aspect of the minimaps is very nice, it's not really what we're after. We just want to know general locations of the other civs so we can send our explorers that direction and hopefully meet up. Which is why we're more than happy to only exchange locations as I described in the initial post.

The out-of-character stuff is going to happen when working with teams that aren't roleplaying. We're adjusting to it and trying to strike a balance between our "realism" and our need to remain active and involved in the game.

--Togas

	26-12-2002 10:13									#25
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Well I dont see any harm in sharing locations if all of us agree to it, but it does eliminate the interesting aspect of the game where one civ plays a middle-man between two civ who havent found each other. If we all know where others whereabout is then we wont have that kind of advantgae/disadvantage which is also a part of the game.

Its late so i dunno if what i said above makes sense (i read it and i wonder if it does to anyone ) but basically this sounds kinda like anti-nuke treaty. As long as everyone agrees to it, its fair and can be implemented justly, but you are losing an aspect of game where you can unsuspectingly nuke someone. It doesnt feel whole. eh whatever.

	26-12-2002 18:11									#26
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Calc - I understood that. And I agree.

I personally think trading mini-maps is not in keeping with the spirit and intent of the game. There are certain things that can only be done within the game - trading techs, gold, luxuries, etc,. And map trading should only be valid when the two civs have met and have map making - as per the game.

Now - sharing info - such as 'we are to the south and east', even before civs have met, may also be considered outside of the scope of the game. But, IMHO, it doesn't reveal that much info, and with seven civs on the map you can pretty well figure out that there is one to your east, or west, or whatever. And besides, it allows some team-interaction and fun at an early stage when by rights, all foreign affairs ministers should simply be lounging around.

But on the mini-map trading thing, no agreement, convention, or rule was established prior to the game. Poll anyone?

	26-12-2002 20:14									#27
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no poll. We (our team) have planned for there to be no restrictions on this type of trade. Therefore, we should not change/implement regulations now.

	26-12-2002 22:40									#28
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Participation in this exchange is entirely voluntary. Some of us are trading locations, some of you are not. Those of us who do may or may not receive an early game advantage from this information. But the only way to know is to try it.

Hope everyone had a great Holiday. Looking forward to trading with you sooner or later.

--Togas

	26-12-2002 23:09									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Togas Participation in this exchange is entirely voluntary. Some of us are trading locations, some of you are not. Those of us who do may or may not receive an early game advantage from this information. But the only way to know is to try it.

	26-12-2002 23:23									#30
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come on........ ya know you want to, so just do it.