14-01-2003 07:15									#61
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quote: Originally posted by rah During his trump run, his opponents sluffed all their hearts down to one each, One had the king, and the other the ace, so when he leads the low heart from his hand, both honors fell. Making his remaining jack good since any return, he could trump with his last trump. Seems quite simple. Sometimes you have no choice but to give your opponents a chance to shoot themselves. It doesn't work that often, but when it does......... RAH

That's exactly what happened. The opponents shot themselves in the foot with a high-powered rocket launcher. The play records of the hand showed that the opponent with the Ace still had the 10 in hand as well when he played the Ace, while his partner had the king bare at the time. I guess he was thinking I had a singleton heart and a doubleton diamond honor and wanted the lead so he could lead a diamond through my hand.

This is one of those hands where you have to make your own luck. I did after all have nothing to lose and a lot to gain.

I'm wondering tho, what would have happened had the heart AK being in the same hand?

	14-01-2003 07:19									#62
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger What was the first lead? It sounded like spade. Spade was the wrong suit to lead. Either one of the red suits would have set you.

The lead was a spade. After all, his partner had bid them. Many people would have led a spade on that auction simply to avoid the wrath of a disgruntled partner had the lead turned out wrong.

	14-01-2003 10:52									#63
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Wandering OT for a moment, I notice your sig and your mention of "wrath of a disgruntled partner" spurred me to comment.

quote: None, Sedentary, Roving, Restless, Raging ... damn, is that all? Where's the "massive waves of barbarians that can wipe out your civilisation" setting?

With Civ2 you can add one line to your game.txt and get to choose the "Barbarian Wrath" setting normally available only to scenario designers. I wanted to show the effect to my brothers this Xmas, so I started a game on that setting. I tried counting the number of units spawned, but then a second revolt spawned which made things a little difficult. (I added a highlight over both spawn centers)

	14-01-2003 15:06									#64
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quote: Originally posted by star mouse The lead was a spade. After all, his partner had bid them. Many people would have led a spade on that auction simply to avoid the wrath of a disgruntled partner had the lead turned out wrong.

Not the way the bid went. Clearly the 5 club was a gambling (I haven't seen it bid that high though) bid that showed lots of clubs but not much else. The declarer might even be out of spades. A spade lead could give him a free finesse of your partner. Very, very, bad.

	14-01-2003 15:08									#65
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quote: Originally posted by Straybow I wanted to show the effect to my brothers this Xmas, so I started a game on that setting. I tried counting the number of units spawned, but then a second revolt spawned which made things a little difficult. (I added a highlight over both spawn centers)

Yikes! Did you get killed?

	15-01-2003 08:09									#66
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Not the way the bid went. Clearly the 5 club was a gambling (I haven't seen it bid that high though) bid that showed lots of clubs but not much else. The declarer might even be out of spades. A spade lead could give him a free finesse of your partner. Very, very, bad.

By 'gambling' you mean a pre-empt? I had nine solid clubs, so I bid two more than I thought I could make, risking the loss of no more than 500 points if doubled. At the time I thought it a quite a routine bid on my hand given it was on OKBridge.

I also have to say it's probable that they had never defended a 5-level pre-empt before, after all I had never declared one before! And I must say it's a lot of fun ...

	15-01-2003 10:00									#67
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Easily. Suppose you have 3 spades, 4 hearts, 2 diamonds and 4 clubs with 13HCP. Your partner has 4 spades, 4 hearts, 4 diamonds and 1 club. So the bidding can go 1C-2D-2H-4H. Something like that.

1. That is not the most economical way to show the suits.
2. How do you show the hearts if you only have one bid to make (6-9 points)
3. Most people play a jumpshift as strong. Since the new suit is single round forcing anyway.

	15-01-2003 11:00									#68
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This thread is scary. But I'm drunk.

	15-01-2003 11:09									#69
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Good for you.

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quote: Originally posted by Straybow Wandering OT for a moment, I notice your sig and your mention of "wrath of a disgruntled partner" spurred me to comment. quote: None, Sedentary, Roving, Restless, Raging ... damn, is that all? Where's the "massive waves of barbarians that can wipe out your civilisation" setting? With Civ2 you can add one line to your game.txt and get to choose the "Barbarian Wrath" setting normally available only to scenario designers.

I think you found the "massive waves of barbarians" setting. And judging by all the red cities, they were definitely wiping out your civilization.

	15-01-2003 16:49									#71
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quote: Originally posted by star mouse By 'gambling' you mean a pre-empt? I had nine solid clubs, so I bid two more than I thought I could make, risking the loss of no more than 500 points if doubled. At the time I thought it a quite a routine bid on my hand given it was on OKBridge.

Sort of like a pre-empt, but you had more points for a pre-empt so you were betting on certain cards at the right places. It helps when your opponents did the wrong thing, too.

	15-01-2003 16:54									#72
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quote: Originally posted by GP 1. That is not the most economical way to show the suits. 2. How do you show the hearts if you only have one bid to make (6-9 points) 3. Most people play a jumpshift as strong. Since the new suit is single round forcing anyway.

1. Economy is situation dependent. Doing this eliminates ambiguity. If you bid a 4-card major, your partner can't tell if you have only 4, or you have more. Bidding a minor helps to keep it low.

2. Okay, how do you show a 5+ card suit with 6-9 points with your bidding system?

3. That's just an example. You could assume it a 1D, or whatever.

	15-01-2003 21:52									#73
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Of course the real question is....
Are there enough Bridge players at apolyton to get a few games going? Even going to a site to play, it's more fun if you know(somewhat anyway) the people you're playing with. And it always means more bragging material. I don't think we need to do anything elaborate like a ranking system, just some games for fun.

I'd be interested.

RAH
I'm sure I could suck ming into being my partner.
Maybe on a late saturday evening.

	15-01-2003 23:51									#74
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... and I, but late Saturday translates into ungodly hours of a Sunday morning in real time doesn't it?

SG[1]

	15-01-2003 23:59									#75
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hmmmmm, +6 over us, YEP.
Maybe we'll have to figure out a different time. hahahaha

	16-01-2003 05:47									#76
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quote: Originally posted by rah Of course the real question is.... Are there enough Bridge players at apolyton to get a few games going? Even going to a site to play, it's more fun if you know(somewhat anyway) the people you're playing with. And it always means more bragging material. I don't think we need to do anything elaborate like a ranking system, just some games for fun. I'd be interested. RAH I'm sure I could suck ming into being my partner. Maybe on a late saturday evening.

Actually great idea. Rex Little and I have played as partners. Just getting partners is good. But a whole table would be awesome. We could really talk some smack than.

	16-01-2003 18:44									#77
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That's the Idea. And at least our time zone difference isn't +6. hahahhaha

	16-01-2003 19:45									#78
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I could play in the morning if you play at night

	16-01-2003 22:35									#79
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger I could play in the morning if you play at night

I'm up for anything. Rex is consumed with IRL.

	17-01-2003 04:43									#80
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Rah and UR, first step is to go over to pogo and create a profile. R, maybe you can get Ming to do so as well if he's not still mad at me for tro...stimulating discussion.

	17-01-2003 04:44									#81
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SG set yourself up with a profile and post your name in this thread. I am ApolytonGP.

	17-01-2003 09:05									#82
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I am PolyUR... but I still can't get the dang program to work.

	17-01-2003 18:39									#83
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I'll try to sign up this weekend. I'll mention it to ming tonight.

	19-01-2003 04:51									#84
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Ok, I signed up. as apolytonrah. I did mention it to ming too, so we'll see if he signs up.

	19-01-2003 09:10									#85
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what was I again?

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	19-01-2003 20:09									#86
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Let me check my friends list.

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	20-01-2003 05:25									#88
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Is there a site where I can review bidding? I haven't played in over a year, and Euchre's turned me soft on bidding.

	20-01-2003 10:29									#89
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quote: Originally posted by loinburger Is there a site where I can review bidding? I haven't played in over a year, and Euchre's turned me soft on bidding.

Pogo has some bidding advice under the how to play button.

	20-01-2003 12:30									#90
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Best check out a couple of bidding books from the library.