26-12-2002 21:54									#1
	Why salvation through Jesus? Got spare money?

Do anyone else get bothered by religious people? There's a lot of people here (and not just Jahovah's witnesses) who seem to think that salvation only comes through Jesus, that man has no power of judgement ( Psalm 82 clearly says men must judge), and that God is either all loving or he is no respecter of man.

What the hell is this? Why must a distant God who has no direct effect upon us be the moral authourity? How can we use ancient texts as moral standards? Should not morality be the product of a logical examination of the effects of an action? Drug use leads to a thousand problems for many different people so it is immoral... not because God says it is... Aint that something? I'm a secular humanist


thanks

	26-12-2002 21:55									#2
	Suffering from ads?

God rawks.

	26-12-2002 22:44									#3
	Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

Timing is everything, isn't it, Albert ?
Hard for you to pick a better time, to show your ass. D

	26-12-2002 22:52									#4
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

Answer to thread title:

For God so loved the World
That he sent his only son to save it
That Whoever Shall Believe in him
Shall not perish but have eternal life

	26-12-2002 22:56									#5
	Suffering from ads?

I love people who try to push their religion on others. It's fun to play with their minds

	26-12-2002 22:57									#6
	Get a bigger avatar today!

Ego theo, esi allah
omos ki dio mas ah ke vah!!!!!!!!!


=I (believe in) God, you in Allah
but both of us ah ke vah!

(=both of us suffer!)

	26-12-2002 23:01									#7
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Why not? Does it really matter how other people find their salvation (through belief in Jesus, worshipping Allah, praying daily to the Unicorn God on Mars) as long as you are comfortable and secure in your own beliefs?

I believe that when I die, I get to be worm food. Some of my friends believe they get to have tea with God. The differences aren't important as we all try to be good people here on Earth, where it actually matters. That's the only thing that counts in life, are you a good person that tries to improve the lives of others in any way, no matter how small?

If you can say "yes" to that question, then everything else is merely commentary.

	26-12-2002 23:06									#8
	Full PM-box? Change here!

BD:

To quote Ja Rule before he became a pop rapper...

For he so feared the world,
He left his only begotten son,
To shed his blood, show that pain is love,
But I won't cry, cause I live to die,
With my mind on my money and my guns to the sky...

We are all God's bastard children forsaken... why should a hippie carpenter be any better than the rest of us


thanks

	27-12-2002 00:10									#9
	Got spare money?

Why salvation through Jesus?

I don't know. Personally, I don't want to crawl up Jesus' intestines and out through his mouth in order to get his "salve".

	27-12-2002 00:10									#10
	Increase the size of your Attachments

I don't preach that.

I think you can find salvation through Satan like I have.

	27-12-2002 00:12									#11
	Support Apolyton

If you're too weak to the point where you need a god to save you, then by all means, believe in one. Just don't try to put him in government or in schools. I don't care whatever false truths people want to believe in. Just don't peddle your warez or force them on to others.

	27-12-2002 00:57									#12
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

Religious people really get quickly tired of trying to convert me Albert. But they are such busibodies thinking it is their duty to offer the road to salvation to other people. And really irritatingly self-righteous too!

	27-12-2002 02:47									#13
	Inflate your Upload Space

quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer BD: To quote Ja Rule before he became a pop rapper... For he so feared the world, He left his only begotten son, To shed his blood, show that pain is love, But I won't cry, cause I live to die, With my mind on my money and my guns to the sky... We are all God's bastard children forsaken... why should a hippie carpenter be any better than the rest of us thanks

That Hippie Carpenter is the son of God, and it is only through him that we can be saved. God has not forsaken because his promise of eternal life still holds. He is the only one that can save us from hellfire.

	27-12-2002 02:52									#14
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

There's a Unicorn God on Mars?

What does he offer?

(How religion has resisted capitalism I will never know)

	27-12-2002 03:11									#15
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Surely capitalism is basically a religion itself? They both entail beliefs that freedom and determinism can exist at the same same, for example.

	27-12-2002 03:20									#16
	Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

BD:

But are we not all also the children of God? Are we not all also created in God's image? And frankly Jesus is not particularily a good role-model... a poor carpenter who never rose himself out from that position... who preached a slave religion...


thanks

	27-12-2002 04:12									#17
	Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

We are Gods children but we are not God himself. Jesus said "I am the way the truth and the light. Nobody comes to the father except through me." You should not try to judge God or his son, you are in no position to do so, because all have sinned and all have fallen short of the glory of God.

	27-12-2002 04:36									#18
	Increase the size of your Attachments

What a lousy troll. A few months ago Speer was claiming that the US should become a theocracy since Christianity is the majority religion of the US, and now suddenly he's a secular humanist.

	27-12-2002 04:40									#19
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

Loinburger:

When did I ever say the US should be a theocracy?

	27-12-2002 04:49									#20
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

Dear GOD! Why is my CtP2 MP icon now the RJ flag?
edit: pheeeeeeuw. it's gone

	27-12-2002 05:26									#21
	Tired of ads?

Why would I need Jesus to dribble anyway?

	27-12-2002 10:14									#22
	Get a bigger avatar today!

I love listening to people who say stuff like "Jesus will save us..." "Only jesus can give us salvation..."

	27-12-2002 10:24									#23
	Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

Sava, as much as I dislike religion and a belief in an unprovable, superior god, the beliefs of others must be respected. In order to spread acceptance and equality, you really have to stop hating religious people, it causes more harm than good. You don't discuss religion, you just rail on it. And that will never get people on your side.

	27-12-2002 21:18									#24
	Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

I don't hate religious people at all, I just think they're wrong. And I usually just use these threads to mock them ... Hate requires effort... I am very tolerant of other's beliefs, but in an open forum, I'm going to express my opinions.

	28-12-2002 00:58									#25
	Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi That Hippie Carpenter is the son of God, and it is only through him that we can be saved. God has not forsaken because his promise of eternal life still holds. He is the only one that can save us from hellfire.

There's logic for you.

	28-12-2002 02:54									#26
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

Sava my man... you talk like me... I say religion in general is one of hte most useless man thought up mucks in the world... you believe in whatever god you want just don't shove him up my arse...

besides this dude is kinda cool:

	28-12-2002 03:46									#27
	Increase Your PM Length

It's social control... and if someone isn't smart enough to realize it, then they deserve to be lead around like sheep. Far Eastern religions are more like philosophies than faith-based religions. They focus on concepts and ways of life rather than putting your faith into an invisible deity.

And don't think I'm just a Judeo-Christian-Muslim hater... there are some very important morals and concepts that are taught in those religions and I think every child should be taught religion objectively. It's important to realize that the scriptures of these religions were written by mortal human beings and are myths and parables; fiction, not fact. Some may be based on real life events, but throughout the thousand+ years since they've been written, there's no way to be sure of their factuality.

	28-12-2002 07:17									#28
	Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

Threads like this remind me of..

This is the song that never ends, yes it goes on and on my friend. Some people started singing it, not knowing what it was, and they'll continue singing it forever just because...This is the song that never ends, yes it goes on and on my friend. Some people started singing it, not knowing what it was, and they'll continue singing it forever just because...This is the song that never ends, yes it goes on and on my friend. Some people started singing it, not knowing what it was, and they'll continue singing it forever just because...This is the song that never ends, yes it goes on and on my friend. Some people started singing it, not knowing what it was, and they'll continue singing it forever just because...This is the song that never ends, yes it goes on and on my friend. Some people started singing it, not knowing what it was, and they'll continue singing it forever just because...This is the song that never ends, yes it goes on and on my friend. Some people started singing it, not knowing what it was, and they'll continue singing it forever just because...This is the song that never ends, yes it goes on and on my friend. Some people started singing it, not knowing what it was, and they'll continue singing it forever just because...

	28-12-2002 07:41									#29
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

According to Barbara Thiering, "The Riddle of the Dead Sea Scrolls", when Jesus said the only way to the father was through him, he wasn't talking about eternal salvation, only that the way to meet with the father of the community was to meet with Jesus first. The Essenes had a system where they tried to emulate heavenly and earthly hierarchies within their own community since they were not in charge of Jerusalem and the temple.

	28-12-2002 09:36									#30
	Get a bigger avatar today!

Religious people really crack me up, old grannies in particular. It's very hard to keep straight face when they are trying to "convert" me