31-12-2002 03:14									#31
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quote: Originally posted by SpencerH But they are important to the plot. We've now seen the roots of Darth Vader appear in Anniken Skywalker with the massacre of the desert creatures. Nowwe know where Luke and Leia came from and we have the factor that turns Skywalker into Vader, his wifes death.

Episode 2 also helps to show why Darth Vader saved luke in RoTJ, he couldn't sit and watch another part of his family die.

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	31-12-2002 04:12									#32
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What??? Indina Jones and The Temple of Doom has to be the most willfully cheesy movie I've ever seen. It goes so far occasionally that I seriously suspected Spielberg was making some sort of "I'm ****ing with you!!!" artistic statement, or a self-destructive sendup of the first film. That conveyor-belt fight has to be the most exaggerated camp sequence in history. Oooh, they're almost in the conveniently placed crusher. No, wait, Spielberg has cut to a different angle and they're suddely three metres away. Etc.

	31-12-2002 04:26									#33
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Well, I wasn't refering to Temple of Doom, which I've purged from my mind. I was thinking of the other flicks in the series .

	31-12-2002 07:27									#34
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Yes, I enjoyed AOTC, indeed a worthy film for inclusion with the other Star Wars films. I have only seen it the once but I certainly would like to see it again...

	31-12-2002 08:50									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Tuberski Episode 2 also helps to show why Darth Vader saved luke in RoTJ, he couldn't sit and watch another part of his family die. ACK!

You're just jaded

	31-12-2002 08:52									#36
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quote: Originally posted by SpencerH You're just jaded

That's true.




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	31-12-2002 10:15									#37
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And what's with George Lucas's obsession with computer animated characters? I don't know what's wrong with them, but I don't believe a second they exist. They just don't look right. Maybe its their cartoonish anatomy... Who knows... When I saw the episode 1 and 2 it felt somewhat like Who framed Roger Rabbit: you don't believe a second Roger Rabbit is there, talking with real people. It just doesn't look right.

	31-12-2002 22:43									#38
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Never had probelm with them.

	31-12-2002 23:34									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Tuberski That was the reason I actually watched all three movies this weekend, The first time I watched it I missed the fact that Greedo shot first in the updated version. Can't have Han Solo seem like a murderous thug can we?

No, of course not. I mean, just because Greedo had a blaster pointed at Han and agreed that he would indeed have the Falcon over Han's dead body doesn't mean he was really threatening him.

(In other words, I definitely agree with your rolleyes smiley.)

	01-01-2003 03:08									#40
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Another thing I should mention, after watching RoTJ, I wouldn't be suprised if Episode 3 has something happening on the forest moon of Endor.

I think he will set the seeds of why the Ewoks believe C3PO is a god.

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	01-01-2003 07:05									#41
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quote: Originally posted by nostromo And what's with George Lucas's obsession with computer animated characters? I don't know what's wrong with them, but I don't believe a second they exist. They just don't look right. Maybe its their cartoonish anatomy... Who knows... When I saw the episode 1 and 2 it felt somewhat like Who framed Roger Rabbit: you don't believe a second Roger Rabbit is there, talking with real people. It just doesn't look right.

To be honest, after seeing the Ewoks (kids in costumes) and some of the costumed creatures in E4, I prefer the looks of the CGI creatures in E1-E2.

Nevertheless, I still think that Jar-Jar should be blasted out of an airlock into space.

	01-01-2003 08:04									#42
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Actually for me some CGIs look more bevilable then some man-in-the-suits.

Man-in-the-suits just look like man in the suites.
Not like some sort of aliens.

P.S.
Of course some CGIs are more and some are less beliavble.

	02-01-2003 06:27									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Thrawn05 Well, the Yub-Nub just added to the pain... but it was the fact that Han DIDN'T shoot first was the straw that broke the cammel's back.

That was so horrible! The other thing was in ESB after Vader and Luke fight and Vader, walking through the halls of Cloud City, says "tell my star destroyer to prepare for my arrival".. or something like that. Horrible voice actor they picked to do that.

	02-01-2003 10:26									#44
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You mean James Earl Jones?

	02-01-2003 10:38									#45
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James Earl Jones- horrible. I'll pretend I never heard that .

	02-01-2003 11:44									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Asher When they're in that robot factory thing, his arm is continually pressed down upon with presses and it doesn't phase him at all. The metal just conveniently moulds around his arm and doesn't hurt him...

There's a similar scene in Minority Report except that you're actually tense watching it. AotC is worse than tripe rations in Nethack.

	02-01-2003 23:42									#47
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AOTC = bad, very bad

Hayden Christiansen was dreadful. Only when he shared the screen with Ewan MacGregor did he have any screen presence, and I'm sure it was only what Ewan rubbed off on him. His petulant whining about Obi-Wan holding him back didn't have any depth to it; he comes across as any other whining teenager denied the car on a Saturday night, instead of a budding Darth Vader. The "romance scenes" with Natalie Portman are nothing short of dreadful -- it's obvious the two have no chemistry together, the dialouge is atrocious, and Padme is given no motivation whatsoever to fall for this jerk. In fact, just the opposite -- after Anakin's whiny, "I hate them all!" bit, one would expect most sane people to back away from such an unstable headcase.

Lucas' direction is also glaringly at fault throughout the entire film: Dooku is given no motivation whatsoever -- heck, not even a proper introduction; the political undercurrents of the film are murky, ill-defined, and just plain boring; the overuse of CGI is rampant -- the droid factory scene took me right out of the film, it's hard to believe they couldn't find a bunch of extras to film some of the clone-trooper scenes, and once again having droids as the enemy army just takes away any emotional punch. And the single biggest flaw was not showing us Anakin's cold slaughter of the Tusken village, instead choosing to leave it up to H.C. to portray the results through his acting -- a very poor choice given the calibre of the actor.

TPM's ending lightsaber duel alone very nearly makes up for the putrid garbage that was the rest of the film, and in some ways I actually think TPM had a more cohesive plot running through it, by choosing to stay centered around the crisis on Naboo. By contrast, AOTC jumps from Padme in danger, to unravelling a clone-army mystery, to Anakin/Padme, to Obi-Wan in danger, to the big CGI army fight, to fighting Dooku, with nothing to really tie all these elements together, save fan rationalizations that Palpatine is pulling all the strings behind the scenes.

I, for one, have no expectation that Ep III will be any better than the trash Lucas has shovelled out in Eps I and II, and will not mourn the overdue death of this movie franchise.

	03-01-2003 01:15									#48
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I liked AOTC except for the god awful acting by HC.
You must really be bad if you can make a romantic scene with NP look painful. How hard could it be to act like you're enjoying it.
What were the casting directors thinking. All the money spent on this movie and your main lead can't act.

Screw all the other shortcomings (which were many)
Star Wars isn't about great movie making, it's about making escapist enjoyable mind drivel, which this episode accomplished. Turn the brain off for a few hours and have a little fun.

I must admit that during the yoda fight sequence, my wife and I were laughing uncontrolled throughout the entire sequence. But the love scenes were unbearable due to acting.


But, maybe HC is the greatest actor known to man. He did play the perfect uncaring, clueless, overacting, petulant teenager that people hate just watching.
NAW, that would have required skill and coaching

	03-01-2003 04:57									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Anun Ik Oba That was so horrible! The other thing was in ESB after Vader and Luke fight and Vader, walking through the halls of Cloud City, says "tell my star destroyer to prepare for my arrival".. or something like that. Horrible voice actor they picked to do that.

It kills me to think you don't recognize James Earl Jones' voice.



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	03-01-2003 06:40									#50
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quote: Originally posted by rah But the love scenes were unbearable due to acting.

That and the awful dialogue. Its one of the worst dialogue I ever heard... Its so bad that I sometimes wonder if it wasn't meant to be bad.