29-12-2002 07:47									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Joseph Without reading the whole thread, I sure hope not.

Joseph, I was arguing that the ultimate goal of US policy during the cold war was to preserve nations from communism in order to preserve democracy -- even if we had to do so by using military governments in the short term. The counter argument was that the US had no interest in fighting communism for ideological reasons, but simply wanted to preserve access to economic resources or whatever.

I hope you understand my argument before you disagree with it.

BTW, since I have lived through most of the cold war, I don't have to consult history books to know what we were fighting for. America is a very idealistic country. We truly believed/believe we are fighting to preserve democracy in the world. We do not fight for land or empire or economic exclusion zones. We fight for democracy, pure and simple.

	29-12-2002 07:53									#62
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quote: Originally posted by Joseph Pat has stated many time NO WAR with Iraq. Even in 91 he was apposed to the war.

Now we have both Pat Buchannan and Novak against the war in Iraq. Why? Are these guys isolationists ala the Republican party prior to WWII?

	29-12-2002 08:01									#63
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Joseph, I was arguing that the ultimate goal of US policy during the cold war was to preserve nations from communism in order to preserve democracy -- even if we had to do so by using military governments in the short term. The counter argument was that the US had no interest in fighting communism for ideological reasons, but simply wanted to preserve access to economic resources or whatever. I hope you understand my argument before you disagree with it. BTW, since I have lived through most of the cold war, I don't have to consult history books to know what we were fighting for. America is a very idealistic country. We truly believed/believe we are fighting to preserve democracy in the world. We do not fight for land or empire or economic exclusion zones. We fight for democracy, pure and simple.

I open the thread and posted without reading any post. I have now read all of the post. I agree with your statement. It had been stated many times though the years that we would hope that more democracy would show up around the world even thou some say we do not.

But I don't want the US to fight Iraq just for Israel. If we do go into Iraq, I want it for reason stated, i.e., WofMD etc.
Now if we could set up a pro-west government (democracy)? That would really be nice.
Afghan is going to take years and I mean years.

	29-12-2002 11:50									#64
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i think so to

	29-12-2002 11:53									#65
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the US losing world support not just on the arab&islamic world but in the european world.

If the US has evidence it has WMD it should give it to the UN

	29-12-2002 12:06									#66
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I seem to remember you being pretty critical when the Afghan war was being started, Imran. Maybe its a Paki/Tali conspiricy...

	29-12-2002 23:51									#67
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quote: Now we have both Pat Buchannan and Novak against the war in Iraq. Why? Are these guys isolationists ala the Republican party prior to WWII?

I'm against the War in Iraq and I'm sure as Hell not a isolationist! People can be against war in Iraq without being isolationist, Ned. Stop looking at the world in Black and White!

quote: I seem to remember you being pretty critical when the Afghan war was being started, Imran.

I'm still critical of it! I mean, we won and then what? Exactly what I predicted is happening. We won, and now we don't care. Afghanistan, within 10 years, is going to go back into civil war and all this will be for nought.

	30-12-2002 03:33									#68
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whos Imran?