28-12-2002 02:29									#1
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can small wonders be rebuilt if the first is lost?

IE, you build your forbidden palace in a city that gets captured/razed. Provided you still have enough cities, does it become a build option again once it's gone, or is there like a "has already been built" flag that allows one shot and then that's it?

along the same lines, lets say you build apollo and then lose it in a war. can you still work on the spaceship? or do you have to build it again?

just curious

lateralis

	28-12-2002 02:34									#2
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with the apollo I'm pretty sure you can still build your spaceship... but I'm not sure whether you can rebuild your small wonder.... an interesting question... I don't think I've lost a city I had a small wonder in before or else I might have been some help

	28-12-2002 03:13									#3
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Great Wonders can only be built the once but I think you can rebuild small wonders if you lose a city with one in.

Not sure about the spaceship question.

	28-12-2002 03:34									#4
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I think that if you lose the Apollo Program, you lose the spaceship.

	28-12-2002 04:04									#5
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quote: Originally posted by lateralis can small wonders be rebuilt if the first is lost?

I've read that they can, since they're automatically destroyed, but I don't have any first hand experience myself.

	28-12-2002 05:31									#6
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They can be rebuilt. I lost my FP once and was able to build it again. I'm regurarly using this possibility to "move" my FP...I abandon the FP city and rebuild it again in a better position (if you don't get a leader, use prebuilds) -but I would only do that on large maps where losing a city does ot hurt much.

	28-12-2002 05:34									#7
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prebuilds?

	28-12-2002 05:52									#8
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the palace -for example.

	29-12-2002 02:15									#9
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*stares blankly at computer screen*

I know how the palace is automatic once youve researched masonry... but wouldn't that be the only one?

	29-12-2002 03:15									#10
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I think Mazarin means having the city you want the FP to be in start building the palace (which takes a lot of shields) - or even rush building the palace in this city. Then you abandon the city with the FP and change the palace to the FP. Violá. Rush building the FP.

	29-12-2002 03:30									#11
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that's it...you build an expensive building (Palace is the best example as it usually is the most expensive one) in a city you actually don't want this building to be finished in until you have enough shields. 199 would be best in this case...then you raze the FP-city, and switch the production in the palace-building city to FP which gets finished there next turn. Saving your shields with pre-builds is also very usefull when you have not achieved a wonder-tech yet.

Last edited by Mazarin on 29-12-2002 at 03:38

	29-12-2002 03:40									#12
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I've done that several times, and sometimes it doesn't work. For example, I was half way or so done building a wonder in berlin, when i finished researching whichever tech it is that allows me to build sun tzu's art of war. I could build the art of war in every city except berlin, which was the only city that was building a wonder. any thoughts on this?

	29-12-2002 04:00									#13
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no idea -that should work without problems...if you were building something else, one possibility would be that there are some shields invested in the building that come from disbanding units etc....but switching from one Wonder to another should always be possible. do you have a savegame?

	29-12-2002 04:20									#14
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no disbanded units. Sorry, no save from the time.

	29-12-2002 05:02									#15
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Have you cut any trees?

	29-12-2002 05:15									#16
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If he just changed wonders this shouldn't be a problem.

	29-12-2002 06:30									#17
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i had the same problem with hoover dam, the city had fresh water but i couldnt change to it from palace for some inexplicable reason?

so i cheated and changed the current build in the savegame
no way the games cheating me out of free dams

	29-12-2002 12:58									#18
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I don't believe I cut any trees, either... I thought trees and disbanded units just made shields and that shields were just shields...

	29-12-2002 16:13									#19
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flight, with hoover, that happend a couple of times to me, too...but this is because of the river required, I think.
bobbo, shield from hurrying, disbanding and trees cannot be used in wonders...because that would be a method of rushing which can only be done with leaders.

	31-12-2002 01:05									#20
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alright.... I'm assuming the only possibility was chopping down a forest square and forgetting about it then, unless there would be any other possiblities.