28-12-2002 08:42									#1
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I've played Civ from its early days... of 2D Civ1. I keep on hearing about this Europa Universalis... I'm pondering whether I should buy it or not, but is it worth buying?

	28-12-2002 18:18									#2
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well, for me it is the best game I ever played. I used to be a fanatic civ`er 2 years ago, but then i bought eu and later eu2 and since then I hardly play any other game

	29-12-2002 01:20									#3
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I find EU2 to be much more enjoyable then Civ3. They are both both similiar games in concept (build an empire, research technology, deal with neighbors) so if you like one you will probably like the other.

	29-12-2002 11:38									#4
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but I hear that EU is tedious and doesn't flow like civ... any truth to that?

	29-12-2002 12:10									#5
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Civ flows?

	29-12-2002 22:18									#6
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It's very good.

It's not tedious because you continually research new technologies.

The only possible tedious thing is if you don't adjust the time bar... and you are playing a pedaceful trader... you can set time however; and play at any speed. A war monger will want to run slow wheras a trader/colonizer will wait for colonists, etc. But everyone will fight at least once.

Civ and EU are like primordial twins.

I think you might enjoy EU I. But remember to get the patch from the site; since teh game crashes a lot without the patch. (its about 1 mb) however; EU II has more features, such as the HISTORY bar which records all your wars, etc.

	30-12-2002 11:34									#7
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quote: Originally posted by St Leo Civ flows?

hmm... now that I think about it... well maybe I think it flows cause I play it to much... ya I guess its not smooth but well if you have a fast enough computer I guess it you wouldn't have to wait for to long between turns...

	30-12-2002 16:17									#8
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EUII is a very good game.

	31-12-2002 02:32									#9
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I guess it depends on what you mean by the word "flow". If you mean game speed then both games go quickly on my computer but I have a P4 system. I do like how EU2 allows players to adjust the speed of time but that feature wouldn't work in Civ3 since it is a turn based game and not a real time game.

In terms of game mechanics I'd say both games "flow" just about the same. Sure, there are slow parts and it can be tedious to put down reoccuring rebellions but that's just part of the game. A concicence of bad government policies that the player decided upon. Besides, I'm a war monger and I love hacking peasant rebels to pieces.

	31-12-2002 08:36									#10
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EU2 seems like a perfectly polished and complete game (once patched ). It's a beautiful play experience, and I enjoy it more than I do Civ (though I've probably spent more time playing Civ, simply because it's strangely addictive, and I've had it longer ).

	31-12-2002 09:03									#11
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alright guys thanks for the input... I bought EU2 today... I shall see for myself how this goes

But I'll have to wait a couple of weeks till I get back home to really start playing...

	01-01-2003 11:23									#12
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Be sure to go to Paradox's excellent site and get your install patched (v. 1.05) as well as read the prodigious and well-done FAQs. They are much better than the manual.

	04-01-2003 04:43									#13
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Very good

	04-01-2003 06:51									#14
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I like it.

	04-01-2003 18:17									#15
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me too.

	05-01-2003 00:18									#16
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Did I meantion that I like it? Oh, I did...

	05-01-2003 00:35									#17
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Indeed You did.

	05-01-2003 00:59									#18
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EU1 is very good.
EU2 is exellent!
After I got EU1, I played about only that game for several months.
After I got EU2 right after it's release, I hardly played any other game(other than for the variation now and then. I soon was back!) before November!
Now I've got HoI. It's good, but not as much as EU1 and 2.

	05-01-2003 01:06									#19
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Of those three I'd have to say EU2 was the most addicting for me. It appealed to me since I'm a history buff and I liked how there is an active fan community that is constiently making new mods for it. That keeps things from getting stale.

	05-01-2003 01:32									#20
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One good thing in EU is that it cover entire planet. But I want a map editor...

	08-01-2003 08:04									#21
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Sounds great, but I have never seen this game anywhere. Where can I get it?

	09-01-2003 22:09									#22
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In most computer stores, I'd guess. In Norway you can, at least. However, the game is nearly one year old now, so you might get problems soon...

	10-01-2003 20:14									#23
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Civ2 is old old old but I think there's no problem in getting it... Why should it be different with EU2?

	11-01-2003 04:40									#24
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First, you can't get Civ2 in most computer shops.
Second, I've seen that most computer shops get less and less copies of EU2, something I see as a sign.

	11-01-2003 05:48									#25
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You can get it online easy enough.

	13-01-2003 18:33									#26
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If you're looking for Civ2, I've seen the original available at places like Target, KMart and Wal-Mart for $10. It seems to be pretty easy to find. Now, I'm not talking about the Multiplayer Gold edition, just the original Windows 3.1 version. If you don't already have Civ3, I think the game of the year edition contains a free copy of Civ2 in the box. At least that way any money you would have spent on Civ2 could go towards Civ3. Good luck!

	13-01-2003 20:06									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Nikolai First, you can't get Civ2 in most computer shops.

Very very bad. There shall be no new civ2scn addicts,
so no new civ2scn makers, so no new scns...

	13-01-2003 23:07									#28
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I sort of like HoI, I'm just having some trouble with understanding certain aspects of it. First I tried to be America and I only played for about two turns before deciding I didn't want to start out with that large of a country. Right now I'm the Finns so that I have a decent sized country with some technology that definitely gets involved in The War. The only problem is that I mismanaged my production in the beggining since I had no idea what I was doing. I played up until the Russians demanded land from and tried to fight them off, but I didn't have much of an army so I quit. I went on break right after that so I haven't played it since.

	14-01-2003 00:16									#29
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quote: Originally posted by MacTBone I played up until the Russians demanded land from and tried to fight them off, but I didn't have much of an army so I quit.

If you are Finnish you don't need much of an army to defeat the Red Army. At least IRL.

	14-01-2003 04:47									#30
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The Fins can be played well if you build lots and lots of infantry early on plus you'll need to research all the infantry techs you can befor the winter war. Then its just a matter of holding your ground against the soviet hordes until the Germans can come to your rescue.

As a side note I played a game of HOI the other day were Sweden joined in the winter war to help the Fins. Of course the AI controlled them so the Soviets stomped them.