28-12-2002 23:05									#1
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Can the Eagles win home field advantage throughout...
Can the Bears mail another game in so we can get a better draft pick.

The last week of the regular season is upon us. Who will make the play offs... who will stay home.

ARE YOU READY FOR SOME FOOTBALL!

	28-12-2002 23:08									#2
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I honestly have a hard time following football now that my fantasy football season is over.

The Texans are playing their rivals though. That could be the last game I find time to watch until the super bowl.

	28-12-2002 23:11									#3
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Well... for the sandbox league, this is our last week

	28-12-2002 23:12									#4
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Yeehaw! Last games of the regular season!

Playoffs next week .

	28-12-2002 23:37									#5
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Bears vs. Bucs, the battle of the third stringers, and with playoff implications!

	28-12-2002 23:37									#6
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Giants suck

'nuff said

	28-12-2002 23:38									#7
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I'm rooting for the Giants. But I still say Feely can do better than McNabb in the playoffs. I'll laugh my ass off when Philly loses their first playoff game.

	28-12-2002 23:53									#8
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Philly looked PRETTY GOOD in their first scoring drive.

	29-12-2002 01:16									#9
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The only things that have kept the Giants off the scoreboard so far are a bad decision after a long drive by Collins (leading to an INT in the end zone) and an INCREDIBLY STUPID holding call against Rosenthal which negated a touchdown. They're completely dictacting the pace of this game.

The only question is, can they keep doing so if they keep shooting themselves in the foot...

	29-12-2002 02:19									#10
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I can't believe Akers missed that field goal. I guess he's now 23 for 25 for shorter than 40 yards now

	29-12-2002 02:40									#11
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Gee, Imran, not only did the Giants win the game (and you have to admit it should not have been as close as it was) but they also ran up almost 500 YARDS of offense against "the NFL's best defense." Not a good start to the weekend for you, uh uh...

I still think Green Bay loses tomorrow even though they now have an in to steal home field from Philly.

	29-12-2002 02:42									#12
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Alright! Thank you Giants. When the Packers win tomorrow, they can go ahead and punch their Super Bowl tickets.

	29-12-2002 02:48									#13
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Lucky, lucky Giants. Akers should have made that chip shot FG, and Giants would have been going home.

That's ok... they still get a bye, and Green Bay will win on Monday Night to get Home Field.

	29-12-2002 02:58									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Lucky, lucky Giants. Akers should have made that chip shot FG, and Giants would have been going home. That's ok... they still get a bye, and Green Bay will win on Monday Night to get Home Field.

The fact is, Imran, the Giants should have had the game put away long before it came down to that. They had two touchdowns wiped out by utter bullshit holding calls by the officials, and another by Kerry Collins' dumb decision after a 90+ yard drive. And even if the Giants had lost, New Orleans still would have had to win to send them home, which ain't no guarantee, since Brooks is hurting and the Carolina D is tough.

And Green Bay plays tomorrow afternoon, not Monday night, on the road (where they're beatable) in the same stadium that just saw the Giants get a well-deserved win and Shockey back up his Pro Bowl berth BIG TIME, against a Jets team that will not only be much more desperate for a win than them but are also far healthier. It's not a cakewalk by any means.

	29-12-2002 02:59									#15
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Haven't really followed football much, but I did watch the Eagles-Giants game. What a weird, weird game. I will say that if the Giants were lucky, so were the Eagles at times; and for Reismark, "shouldn't have been that close?" You're arguing that turnovers shouldn't ruin your day? It was quite a close game in spirit as well as number.

I can't comment on the Holding calls (it looks to me like they should be being called on half the plays, so I'm useless as an observer- it always looks like a penalty), but the interception by the Giants in OT was quite a questionable call. On the instant replay, it sure looked to me like the defender flagrantly grabbed the reciever's face mask, which should have been 15 yards right there since you can kill people that way. Then again, maybe his hand just got in front of the mask at the angle that the camera was at... oh well.

	29-12-2002 03:01									#16
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quote: And Green Bay plays tomorrow afternoon, not Monday night, on the road (where they're beatable) in the same stadium that just saw the Giants get a well-deserved win and Shockey back up his Pro Bowl berth BIG TIME, against a Jets team that will not only be much more desperate for a win than them but are also far healthier. It's not a cakewalk by any means.

The Jets aren't going to be more desperate for a win, because even if they win, they might not go! The Packers realize that they NEED to win in order to have any chance of going to the Superbowl. And while the Jets have Pennington... he's no Farve, and game time temp? I bet it will be under 40... and you know Farve's record in games under 40 degrees right?

	29-12-2002 03:02									#17
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why the hell is it called football?
geez man... you use your foot on the ball for like 2 times in a game

	29-12-2002 03:03									#18
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SF: I do agree that the officials' ignorance of Short's play in that situation was a bit questionable - at the least, Short probably should have been flagged for illegal contact with the receiver (I never saw him *grab* the face mask though). However, if the officials get the holding calls right earlier in the game (i.e. NOT CALLING THEM) then the Giants win in regulation by a 21-7 score and we're not even in a situation to be questioning that call.

	29-12-2002 03:10									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui The Jets aren't going to be more desperate for a win, because even if they win, they might not go! The Packers realize that they NEED to win in order to have any chance of going to the Superbowl. And while the Jets have Pennington... he's no Farve, and game time temp? I bet it will be under 40... and you know Farve's record in games under 40 degrees right?

Imran, the Jets' chances are all dependent on two games which will have already taken place by the time they step on the field. If New England beats Miami, then the Jets are in a "win and you're in" situation - they'd take the AFC East with a win over the Packers. If Miami wins, then you look to the Cleveland/Atlanta game. If Atlanta wins that game, then the Jets will get a wild card with a win. If Cleveland wins, the Jets are eliminated before they're even on the field. If it gets to that, then yes, Green Bay will win, but I think New England & Atlanta will get the job done to give the Jets their in and their motivation. Bottom line is, the Jets will know their fate by kickoff - and in three of the four situations, the Jets will lock up a playoff berth if they win.

CORRECTION: In the case of a wild card, either Denver has to win or Kansas City has to lose. But I think the Patriots win anyway.

BTW, Weather.com says temperature in East Rutherford one hour before kickoff will be 41 degrees. But that doesn't matter - the Jets have proven they can win big games in cold weather.

	29-12-2002 03:12									#20
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Oh, I know the Jets can win in cold weather... I didn't say anything about that.

But Farve... isn't he PERFECT in cold weather games? That's an intangible that you just can't touch .

	29-12-2002 03:13									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui But Farve... isn't he PERFECT in cold weather games? That's an intangible that you just can't touch .

Only at home, dude. He ain't at home.

	29-12-2002 03:32									#22
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Actually I believe he is perfect in any game where the temperature is under 35 degrees, and only lost one game when the temperature was under 40.

	29-12-2002 03:37									#23
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then the Giants win in regulation by a 21-7 score

Nah. One of the holding TDs that got yanked functionally got unyanked via the Giant's only real TD. If that holding call hadn't had occurred, somehow I doubt that the Giants would magically get possession of the ball again on the 40 ready to go on another TD drive. 14-7 I can buy, not 21-7.

Similar complaint about your "revised" score for the... erm... Bucaneers? Whoever played the Steelers last week that you like a lot. From what I know, the Steelers got their 17 points fast and just held the ground from there on out. If your team hadn't had made the turnovers, then Pittsburgh probably would not have played so conservatively and stayed on the ground, trying to run out the clock. Instead of 21-17, the game score might have been 24-21.

Moral: Alternative history is hard to do.

	29-12-2002 03:40									#24
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For someone that says he doesn't follow football that much, SF, you do good analyzing those games .

And yes, Reismark ALWAYS overvalues his team in his alt history replays .

	29-12-2002 03:45									#25
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quote: Nah. One of the holding TDs that got yanked functionally got unyanked via the Giant's only real TD.

Oops, you're right. Forgot about that, sorry

quote: Similar complaint about your "revised" score for the... erm... Bucaneers? Whoever played the Steelers last week that you like a lot. From what I know, the Steelers got their 17 points fast and just held the ground from there on out. If your team hadn't had made the turnovers, then Pittsburgh probably would not have played so conservatively and stayed on the ground, trying to run out the clock. Instead of 21-17, the game score might have been 24-21.

When it comes to the Bucs, bending the rules of alternate history is ALWAYS justifiable

Remember, Imran: It's OVER tomorrow.

	29-12-2002 03:50									#26
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Yes, and the poor Bucs will have to play next week .

	29-12-2002 03:53									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Yes, and the poor Bucs will have to play next week .

*whistles innocently*

One sees rest in the pirates' future...

	29-12-2002 03:55									#28
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Ming is sure going to be pissed when Chicago moves further down the draft board by winning again .

I hear they are better than Detroit!

Btw, how did this week's starter Rob Johnson do in practice this week .

	29-12-2002 04:01									#29
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Imran, you're expecting Chicago to win with a third-string quarterback, no running back, and one decent wide receiver against the league's best defense. I need not say any more.

	29-12-2002 04:04									#30
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quote: Imran, you're expecting Chicago to win with a third-string quarterback, no running back, and one decent wide receiver against the league's best defense. I need not say any more.

Well I do remember a few weeks ago, a team with the worst backup QB in the league, no running back, and no decent WRs ALMOST beat your vaunted Tampa team.

I need not say any more .