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Hovering, everything hovers like a brazen bubble which should have been shot down by the heat. She approaches with a masque of splendor - f*cking peacock? Amateur. This one is filled with cardboard from the recieving area of the grocery store he worked at when he was 60. Only this time, the product arrives as a giant crystal chess piece

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Seen Bosch? The "Garden of earthly delights" triptych? That's my life- tiny demons poking people up the bum and all.

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HAHAHAHA Oh man

Seriously, studying for art history and often chance flipping by that painting - I would sit and stare at it for hours instead of study

The green, earthly paradise part? Why the f*ck would anyone deserve to have to experience looking at that?

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Do you ever feel like you're stuck in a gay surrealist fantasy painting?

Um...no. Although the five other people who live in my head make it pretty interesting in there on their own, thank-you-very-much.

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What do you mean by "gay"... as in containing homoerotic elements... or just painted by someone who's gay... or do you mean "gay" as in "stupid"?

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Great, thanks Bosch. You've ruined my mind forever (not to mention Christmas for the next 5, 495 years to come)

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Ah yes. Possibly the greatest weirdo in art.

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Oh, really? Then I'm inclined to believe that you have not yet experienced the absolute horror of Max Ernst:



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Really. I was doing well, had met a nice girl in class, had my dreams under control, a non-existent drug habit - then my prof pulls this sh*t out of nowhere.

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hahaha I remember Bosch and Ernst...
They never really disturbed me that much though... I've always approached their material rather objectively.

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There's nothing objective about them

They're horrible rendering of stolen dreams, exaggerating only the qualities that pain us with guilt. Come to think of it, I've never painted surrealist myself.

hehehehe... that's a potential mental weapon if I've ever had one

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For nightmarish art you have to go to the Social Realist hell of official Soviet Bloc and Chinese Communist propaganda. Tractors painted so lovingly, you'd swear the artist was in a relationship with them.

A tall Stalin, without a withered arm, cuddling small children.

Or Nazi neo-Romanticist kitsch- Hitler as an armoured Tristan on horseback, or Himmler as a Burgundian knight.

Of all the modernist painters, Francis Bacon I find most unsettling- the suffocating, silent screams of the immobile trapped figures, popes or businessmen, held fast in the airless confines of their private antechamber of hell.

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I knew someone would bring Bacon up

He's terrifying, but in more of a face value "OH MY GOD THAT PAINTING IS YELLING AT HIDDEN GHOSTS" terrifying. I think he faltered in the truly disturbing in that he was so busy with being perma drunk and having ass-sex

I am intrigued of this tractor you talk of!

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zylka, I said I was objective, not the art.

That said, if he's stealing anyone's paintings, he's stealing YOURS not mine! If he was stealing mine, the paintings would be less filled with violence and concentrate on a single character and would have a broader p.o.v.

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Oh there's no issue of plagiarism here, and I can respect these works as they are. Problem is, exposing them to the general public is a lot like Cambodian prostitution; there's a lot of 12 year olds, and they're all working for some guy named Ngu

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I knew someone would bring Bacon up

He's terrifying, but in more of a face value "OH MY GOD THAT PAINTING IS YELLING AT HIDDEN GHOSTS" terrifying. I think he faltered in the truly disturbing in that he was so busy with being perma drunk and having ass-sex

I am intrigued of this tractor you talk of!



How interesting you chose not to expand on the sex-life (or otherwise) of Ernst or Bosch, and yet felt the need to reference the openly gay Bacon's...

Bcon addresses a panoply of modern horrors- angst, alienation, isolation, the claustrophobia of metropolitan life- whereas Bosch deals in mediaeval mystical Catholic punishments in the afterlife. Although I admire Bosch's imaginative fertile creativity, the torments of a religiously inspired hell no longer frighten me. As Sartre would say, 'hell (now) is other people', or as Pascal would say,
'the eternal silence of these infinite spaces leaves me in terror'.

That to me is the horror of a Bacon painting- eternal silence and screaming without sound, and infinite space in a paradoxically enclosed environment.

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That to me is the horror of a Bacon painting- eternal silence and screaming without sound, and infinite space in a paradoxically enclosed environment.


Exactly. As such, I see Bacon reitorating a concrete, blank hell which I have firmly believed in before having learned to read. At that level, there's only one answer I come up with - of eternal importance, but unapplicable in debating its description

The others have me firing and arranging the chaos of life in a horrible guilt trip of decadence, lies, facades and dreams begging for change. Something at the gates of hell, while you hopefully have time to evaluate the trillion piece puzzle to a tangling entity of contradictions

Bacons' works rage in an absolute, horror of non-existence, while the others start trillions of vicious fights in a candyland setting, giving you nothing to look back for, nothing of yourself to grasp - until it's resolved

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P.S Sartre is a filthy Frenchman who deserves only to be quoted on an old wall beside the local bidet you're puking in

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geez, Zylka, don't mince your words or anything!
that said, I think that absence can be very frightening. It's why insecure people feel the need to talk ALL the time, I think.

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What is "mincing" of vocabulary? Scrambling?

It's not like I'm SOBER OR ANYTHING *BAWWWWLLLL*

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it's like, don't be subtle or anything, sarcastic like...
oh **** it

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Ok but all I know is that we have to severely hurt MtG when he gets back on so get your words and accusations nice and minced

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Of course I'm sure no one would enjoy their own version of this, but doesn't it just seem like an inevitability? Bacon seems like a boring prophet of the damned more than anything else, there are no solutions to kill yourself over in his imagery - just the end of the story

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that seems like more of an attack on the church than a statement on the abyss

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A subconcious attack on the church, at best. It's a study of an older painting he had seen as a child which was essentially a catalyst in arriving at his version of the abyss (a little boy psycho tasted artistic terror on his own perceptions and it lingered). So many other works unhitched to an intitution are catalogued in his work

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I would have just set it on fire and moved on

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Hurrah! I was able to figure out what he was painting to some extent without ever taking an art histoy course! Gold star for me!!!

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Bacon never saw the painting. He only ever saw a reproduction. Zylka's shallow logorrhoeic 'critiques' of Sartre and Bacon might be amusing if it weren't so incoherent and jejune- Zylka believed in a concrete blank hell before having learned to read! Golly gee, how grown up of you!

Or alternately, what a slow learner you were....

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OOOOOHHHH JEJUNE - WHEN DID THAT BECOME YOUR WORD OF THE DAY, BECAUSE YOU USED IT SO WELL!!@wer

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...and I suppose you knew of Hell before leaving the womb, you poor, educated thing. Should we give Molly the indignant flake of the month award?

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