30-12-2002 08:14									#1
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I just accsidentaly found out that there is an bug in the retreat system that lets you get slaves without killing any enemy units.

If you attack a unit with a stak containing a slaver, and imediatelt press the retreat button, each side only gets of one shot/hit, so normally nobody dies, but since the slaver survived the battel you get a slave.

If you walk up to an enemy city, surround it with pairs of slavers and combatunits, you can in theory get 40 slaves each turn. (6 pairs on each tile and units in cities regenerate)

A not unrealistic setup could be to trap a single barbarian hoplite, between a unit one tile away, and a full 12-unit stack with 6 slavers, and you will have a steady supply of slaves.

I know that overexploitning this will only create problems, but used right it can be a tremendous advantage: think of having 4-6 slaves in each city. That's a lot of slaves!!!!

	30-12-2002 10:29									#2
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Yeah i know, just another reason to get rid of retreat.

	30-12-2002 17:34									#3
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I'll just have to remember never to have a slaver in a raiding force.

I use retreat as a way of raiding enemy cities and armies without killing them. Or to weaken a defense force prior to an attak.

	30-12-2002 18:00									#4
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Why dont you use a mainly bombarding stack of units and bombard them instead to weaken down cities or armies. Maybe this bug is why they took retreat out of multiplayer, but thought no one would notice in SP.

	30-12-2002 20:44									#5
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Simple solution...

Exert a little self-control and don't use a feature that can exploit the AI - or a feature that you know that the AI will not use.

	30-12-2002 21:24									#6
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I know

I wish the AI would use it, that would be the best, or maby something like the SMAC solotion where a failing unit would attempt a retreat, her of cause it would be the stack doing it.

But that belongs in another thread.

	31-12-2002 08:18									#7
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i just knew

	31-12-2002 08:19									#8
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Like other thread said

Retreat option is just one big bug

	11-01-2003 06:09									#9
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quote: Originally Posted by Martin the Dane I wish the AI would use it, that would be the best, or maby something like the SMAC solotion where a failing unit would attempt a retreat, her of cause it would be the stack doing it.

Thats the kinda thing i was trying to suggest on the other thread by doing it through SLIC, but from the sounds of it its impossible.
It would all depend on the attacker and defender, strength of defender/attacker, number of units and what terraint type it was on and from this it would work out how much health the retreating units would still have and also a percentage chance of and actual retreat taking place.

But if it cant be done, it cant be done

Even if these retreated units where not actually the same army, just new units that appeared on a corresponding tile in the appropriate quantities and health percent

-James

	11-01-2003 19:22									#10
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quote: Originally posted by SMIFFGIG Thats the kinda thing i was trying to suggest on the other thread by doing it through SLIC, but from the sounds of it its impossible. It would all depend on the attacker and defender, strength of defender/attacker, number of units and what terraint type it was on and from this it would work out how much health the retreating units would still have and also a percentage chance of and actual retreat taking place. But if it cant be done, it cant be done Even if these retreated units where not actually the same army, just new units that appeared on a corresponding tile in the appropriate quantities and health percent -James

Well we have these Events:

RunCombat(army_t, location_t, int_t, int_t)
Run one round of combat

VictoryMoveOrder(army_t, location_t)
The move into an attacked square after winning a battle

So what would happen if we would do something liek this:

HandleEvent(RunCombat)'MG_StopCombat'{
return STOP;
}

Would this stop the combat or would this end in a infinity loop?

-Martin

	11-01-2003 23:48									#11
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I can't imagine that having a good effect on the game. There's no way to end the battle if you don't run the combat rounds.

	12-01-2003 05:53									#12
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You could try generating a BattleAfterMath event or something like that...

	12-01-2003 06:41									#13
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Interesting. Shame you can't retreat in MP, it would have been a cool trick to pull on my brother to get a major advantage.