22-01-2003 12:00									#61
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quote: Originally posted by War4ever yes, mine is definitely not the traditional 22? ounce mug...i am sure it is no bigger than 14-16 ounces

Traditional size in Britain is sufficient to hold an Imperial pint which is 20 ounces. Thus the mug would be a little bigger than that (call it 22 ounces). Since you colonial Johnies have your own (16 ounce) pint, you can get away with smaller mugs.

RJM at Sleepers (who knows it's off topic, but what the heck)

	22-01-2003 14:15									#62
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I can honestly say I've never known so much about pewter mugs.

	23-01-2003 02:21									#63
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you can say the same thing about your spam too Dr.

	23-01-2003 02:37									#64
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Talking of spam, have you caught Rah up yet?

	23-01-2003 06:42									#65
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who said anything a bout trying to catch rah..... i am going after Ming

	23-01-2003 14:25									#66
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You better join Nation States and another Democracy game for that......you're going to need the serious Spam, the stuff you keep for when royalty comes to visit.

	23-01-2003 15:31									#67
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My apologies for the totally off (current) topic post, but ...

Does anyone actually KNOW the conditions under which a size 1 city is NOT destroyed by conquest?

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	23-01-2003 15:36									#68
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Bloody threadjackers.

Hehe no, noone seems to know.....other than it varies. Perhaps we should tell Samson that it's a problem......that's probably the best course of action.

	23-01-2003 15:48									#69
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Hey Doc - where is Ricardo?

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	23-01-2003 16:10									#70
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Ricardo is the guy is my avatar.

He is an early 19th century economist.....famous for the first exposition of the case for free trade, and the initial work on comparative advantage, as well as being the first economist with any technical skill.

I am still in Southampton.

	23-01-2003 21:58									#71
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quote: Originally posted by Scouse Gits Does anyone actually KNOW the conditions under which a size 1 city is NOT destroyed by conquest? SG[1]

IIRC it never happens when the city is a capital

	23-01-2003 22:01									#72
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike Ricardo is the guy is my avatar.

Adam Smith used to post big size on this forum
Perhaps we get John Maynard Keynes next year
(why not Karl Marx? I wonder )

	23-01-2003 22:11									#73
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quote: Originally posted by La Fayette IIRC it never happens when the city is a capital

Capitals are destroyed if there are no city walls.

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	23-01-2003 22:20									#74
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quote: Originally posted by Scouse Gits My apologies for the totally off (current) topic post, but ... Does anyone actually KNOW the conditions under which a size 1 city is NOT destroyed by conquest? SG[1]

Why not create some empty size 1 cities in cheat mode, and run a few tests?

The last time I captured a size 1 city was in the 'no science' succession. It was Athens (Greek capital, of course), size 3 with 2 defenders originally. I attacked twice with elephants, reducing it to size 1 and killing both defenders. I entered the city with a wounded ellie, and the city was destroyed.

(Despite the city being destroyed, I still stole a tech and my ellie was still healed.)

So... the city was a capital and was destroyed. IIRC it was on plains, and obviously not walled.

	24-01-2003 15:03									#75
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For what little its worth my empirical observation suggests that:
If I capture a size 1 city it always vanishes
If Barbs capture a size 1 city it seldom vanishes
If the AI captures a size 1 city it sometimes remains

Could this be related to the differing sizes of the food box?

Does this agree with your observations?

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	25-01-2003 21:18									#76
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Scouse gits i have seen similar events....i didnt' think barb food boxes were any different though?

	27-01-2003 16:00									#77
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I would agree Warz - the Barbs have the same size food box as the AI, but I think they operate under somewhat different rules...

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	28-01-2003 01:34									#78
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I recently had an instance where barbs captured one of my cities (for the NON partisans, of course... you don't seriously think that would have happened unintentionally do you? ). When I recaptured it, it was size 1, and it wasn't destroyed (no walls).

Has someone in this thread already said that you can recapture your own former cities at size 1? I think that's an exception to the city razing rule.

	28-01-2003 05:28									#79
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yes i stated that... i assume you bribed it STYOM? or did you take it by force?

	28-01-2003 05:58									#80
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By force of course... why should I pay for my own city

Actually the city was on an island... it was one of those wonderful situations where you have a rifleman defending an unwalled city and a pirate ship lands with a bajillion dragoons

Pirates land, kill my riflemen, take the city... out come 7 partisans, who beat the dragoons to a pulp and recapture the city

	28-01-2003 07:25									#81
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hehe, well i bribed my cities in question, 26g is worth it.....and the city never disappears of course....

trying to remember the last time i attacked one back, i usually keep them around to bribe units from

	28-01-2003 08:26									#82
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Oh yes, bribing is the preferred way... but when it's the only city on a smallish island, where does the spy come from?

I love getting those free NON partisans though

	28-01-2003 14:42									#83
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quote: Originally posted by War4ever trying to remember the last time i attacked one back, i usually keep them around to bribe units from

Agreed. In fact, the only time you would be likely to attack is when the city is on an island like STYOM's.

	30-01-2003 02:08									#84
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not true, if i have to i will attack one in my territory, so long as i don't feel as though it will be destroyed...bribing/attacking can have similar results if the city isn't destroyed