01-01-2003 00:03									#31
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Blame the bacon. It's called 'salt cured' for a reason.

	01-01-2003 00:09									#32
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i eat more salt than anyone i know. in fact i add salt to water often times when i excercise. i also carry a fresh water bottle too.

i still have below normal blood pressure...

	01-01-2003 00:15									#33
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Vegetarian food also contains salt...

many people think vegetarians eat their veggeis raw and all that...


I eat good spiced meals and everything, just not with meat in it! so being a vegetarian isn't going to help you (of course there will be less salt, but more olive oil, which is fattening )

	01-01-2003 00:17									#34
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olive oil rocks!

	01-01-2003 01:25									#35
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Gatekeeper,

Ham has 3 different kinds of sodium in it. IT should only be consumed on rare occasions and not as a staple because nutrition-wise it sucks.

	01-01-2003 02:38									#36
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Sodium and potassium ions also are what carry electricity through our nervous systems. Salt is added to foods as a preservative, usually.

Trajanus: Olive oil isnt that bad for you, it is unsaturated. It's a 100 time better for you than lard.

Edit: spelled sodium wrong

	01-01-2003 02:46									#37
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Olive oil is beneficial, especially for the heart, it is a protector. The worst oils are hyrogenated oils and should be avoided at all costs. Hydrogenated oils are designed to harden foods, so imagine what they are doing to your cells. Your body has no clue what to do with hydrogenated oils so they just sort of float around and cause trouble.

	01-01-2003 02:55									#38
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The best way to decrease the amount of salt in your food is to simply stop eating processed foods. This will also tend to lower the amount of fat in your food, so overall, it's a pretty healthy thing to do.

	01-01-2003 03:14									#39
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chegitz I would like to hear your views on the food industry, particularly the processed foods industry. Kraft Foods (owned by Phillip Morris) is putting out some extreme crap. Hydrogenated oil should be BANNED as this is in my view the most unhealthy thing in our food supply.

	01-01-2003 03:22									#40
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Honestly, I haven't educated myself enough on this subject to be able to argue well. I have just general positions. The food, in general, is terribly unhealthy to us as consumers but also to our environment. Workers in the food industry are among the most exploited in Western capitalism.

On the other hand, almost all Kraft cheeses are vegitarian (with one exception), so nothing is all bad.

You should probably check out the book, Fast Food Nation. It's about the food inudstry in the US, and the reviews and excerpts I've read from it are rather scary stuff.

I would also point out that the food industry has had laws passed in several states that allow corporations to sue for damages if you disparage their products, even if you are telling the truth. Oprah Winfry was caught up in one of these "veggie libel" laws. The constitutionality of the laws haven't been tested yet, as the judge tossed the case saying the beef producers had failed to make their case.

	01-01-2003 03:27									#41
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Okay chegitz I will check that book out, it sounds interesting. I think our food supply is in a state of dysfunction right now.

I TOTALLY agree with you about the explotation of food workers. Many California migrant workers, for example, get lifetime disability payments that are like $7000! They have to live on that for the rest of their lives after being disabled! Sure, many are undocumented aliens, but our food supply would collapse without their work. Not to mention the pesticides they get sick with after working knee deep in that poison.

	01-01-2003 03:44									#42
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It's not merely migrants. The people who work in fast food resteraunts, meat packers, fish workers, etc. Delta Pride catfish, for instance, doesn't allow its employees (mostly women) to go to the bathroom during work, the exits are chained shut, and they don't make a hell of a lot of money. A chicken processing plant in North Carlonia had a fire which killed lots of employees, because the exits were chained shut. Tyson chicken is hell to work for. Most independent family farmers live in dire poverty.

On top of that, the way meat and dairy animals are raised in this country is rather unhealthy. It used to be that only pork was unsafe to eat undercooked, because of trychanosis. That disease has largely been eradicated from the American food supply, but now chickens and eggs are so dangerous (eggs not so much as chicken) to eat that you must cook them thoroughly (you take a risk with every runny yolk) and sterilize you kitchen with bleach after making them. Cookie dough is no longer safe to eat raw.

Beef parts are ground up and fed to pigs, and pig parts are ground up and fed to beef. There is a danger that mad-cow type prions can be passed back and forth and thus to us.

Milk is now produced in the US using a hormone that no other indutrialized country has found safe to use in products for humans. The FDA has even prohibited BgH free milk products from saying they are BgH free, because that implies there's something wrong with BgH (which there is). Fortunately, you can get around that simply by paying almost twice as much for organic milk products.

Then, of course, because of factory farming, the animals are produces in such close conditions that the animals must be mega-dosed with antibiotics, which get passed on to us, which is linked to the rise of resistent strains of bacteria in humans.

And now they want to dump waste sludge on our vegitables as fertilizer (though if it weren't for the toxics and heavy metal content, and it were properly processed, it would be a good way to deal with human waste).

	01-01-2003 04:07									#43
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I'd have to agree with most of what you said, and I didn't know that part those factory farming examples but it makes my stomach turn.

There is an outbreak of Newcastle disease right now for all types of poultry in Southern Cali. It's been banned from several countries and birds are under quarantine right now:

http://www.birds2grow.com/newcastle.html

Personally I am trying to wean myself off of cows' milk but as of yet am not successful yet.

Also, I agree that it's rathar cruel the way the animals are treated. Doesn't that hormone you mentioned keep the cows pregnant for their entire life?

Does anybody here know of a good source of hormone, free ranged meat? Is there anything unhealthy about shipping food with dry ice?

	01-01-2003 04:14									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Also, I agree that it's rathar cruel the way the animals are treated. Doesn't that hormone you mentioned keep the cows pregnant for their entire life? Does anybody here know of a good source of hormone, free ranged meat? Is there anything unhealthy about shipping food with dry ice?

If you can find it in your grocery, Maverick meats are free range, no hormones, and low anti-biotics. You pay a lot for it, though. Tastes good.

BgH doesn't make the cow pregnant. It stimulates overproduction of milk. Their udders become hugely overextended, to the point of dragging on the ground. They get infected very easily and there is a bit more pus in the milk. They are also higholy doesed with anti-biotics because of the infections. All milk cows, however, are kept in a state of "pregnancy" since they are always giving milk, instead of drying up when their calves are weened.

	01-01-2003 04:26									#45
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quote: Kraft Foods (owned by Phillip Morris)

What, exactly, are you trying to say here?

	01-01-2003 04:33									#46
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You tell me.


Chegitz,

I'll look for that Maverick. I hear people talking about hormone free meat but I have yet been unable to find it.

	01-01-2003 06:29									#47
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Move to europe.

So what you're all saying is, I could bring my blood preassure up to normal levels and not have thse silly weather-related mood swings simply by eating salt?

	01-01-2003 06:30									#48
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I want my meat full of hormones, damn you!

	01-01-2003 09:11									#49
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That's fine Siddiqui, you can have your hormones, meanwhile, I have discovered the secret of Chicken Karahi, and that is --> Garam Masala

	01-01-2003 09:14									#50
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Ewww.. Indo-Pak food. Where is the puke smily when you really need it?

	01-01-2003 09:19									#51
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You must have gotten tired of that stuff a long time ago, huh?

My white man's taste buds are virginal to it though so it tastes like heaven to me. I load my food with curry and all sorts of paki stuff. Man it is the best ever.

	01-01-2003 09:23									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker You tell me.

No.

BTW, boycotting every non-tobacco related business of a tobacco company is on of the stupidest ideas I have ever encountered. "Hey! I've got an idea! Let's turn all of R.J. Reynolds subsidiaries into net losers so they'll hold more tightly to their tobacco business than ever!"



Do you use store bought Garem Masala, or make your own?

	01-01-2003 09:23									#53
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Well, good luck with that .

I perfer to kill my taste buds slowly by dousing everything with an insane amount of hot sauce .

	01-01-2003 09:33									#54
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk No.

LOL! Fair enough.

quote: BTW, boycotting every non-tobacco related business of a tobacco company is on of the stupidest ideas I have ever encountered. "Hey! I've got an idea! Let's turn all of R.J. Reynolds subsidiaries into net losers so they'll hold more tightly to their tobacco business than ever!"

Okay my idea wasn't referring to boycotting them, but more referring to them as guilt by association. With the track record of Phillip Morris, their corporate responsibility to the public isn't at the top of my A list. Though I will say of all the processed food companies, Kraft seems to do the best in terms of quality.

I will say the one processed food I will eat every few months are Entemann's chocolate chip cookies. YUM. I can't totally escape the processed food's grasp but I do my best.

On the garam marsala, I buy it from the store. I'd like to get some sort of imported stuff straight from the homeland but right now I buy the American version of it from Spice Islands. Do you make your own?

	01-01-2003 09:36									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Well, good luck with that . I perfer to kill my taste buds slowly by dousing everything with an insane amount of hot sauce .

Southern cuisine rocks too. Black eyed peas, chopped baracued beef, collards.

Tobascoe makes any kind of meat taste 5 times. You must be eating well down there.

Damn this thread is evil now I am hungry!!!

	01-01-2003 09:39									#56
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I don't really like Tobasco. Cholula is my hot sauce of choice. Got REAL flavor along with the heat.

quote: Damn this thread is evil now I am hungry!!!

Well get something quick before the New Year is upon us .

	01-01-2003 09:47									#57
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I am embarrased, I am not familiar with that sauce!!!

	01-01-2003 10:13									#58
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Making your own is always best, grinding whole spices.

I can't find my recipe at the moment, but cardamom, nutmeg, cloves, cumin and black and red pepper are the main components; heavy on the cloves and nutmeg, light on the cumin, cardamom somewhere in the middle. I use the green, unshelled cardamom, and don't shell it before I toss it in.

edit: Coriander! How could I forget the coriander? Roughly same proportion as the cardamom.

	01-01-2003 10:21									#59
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You know what Mad Monk I just ate a really nice meal I just made but after reading that ingredient list my mouth is STILL watering!


Excellent, I might have to start making my own spices. No doubt the difference between homemade and store bought is a dramatic difference.

	01-01-2003 12:43									#60
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Heh. Well, I intend to make use of the mini-George Foreman grill I got for Christmas.

I can now get fresh food from the local meat aisle — beef, turkey, chicken and fish — and now have a convenient, quick way to grill it. That should help avoid at least some of the salt that is so ever-present in processed meats and other foods. I like rotissierie turkey best from a local supermarket ... freshmade on-site and not too salt-heavy.

Fish ... mhhmmm ...

Fruits ... good, especially apples and bananas ... also pears nd oranges, when I get that stuff.

Carrots rock.

About time to hop on the old exercise bike again ...

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