31-12-2002 18:28									#31
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If you don't like Linux, you can always get OpenBSD

	31-12-2002 18:36									#32
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quote: God, Linux sounds just so much more user friendly than Windows. Where do I sign up?

I am a nerd. I use Gentoo Linux. Gentoo is not meant to be user-friendly, it's meant to be used by nerd. But different distros have different usability. You could burn a Knoppix Live-CD, pop it in, reboot and have a fully working, easy-to-use Linux system that quite probably has autoprobed all your hardware up in a few minutes without even writing anything on the hard disk. You could buy a (pretty cheap, BTW) Lindows box from Wal-mart, and never even need to know what the word "kernel" means. And everything in between. Linux can extend to pretty much any environment.

quote: Anyway, PC's are better because you don't have Linux/Windows debates with Crapples.

Yeah. What do you get is Linux/MacOS debates (MacOS does usually win, though...)

	31-12-2002 18:56									#33
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Yeah, but the Linux/Windows debates are so much livelier!

	31-12-2002 20:28									#34
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Macs are overpriced/underpowered compared to PCs. XP is perfectly stable so the whole OS argument goes out the window anyway. And I never found macs stable anyway.

And Linux eh? Cryptic commands, only really designed for the ultrageek, horrendously long installations, and no, I don't give a flying f**k if I can recompile my kernal...

	31-12-2002 21:51									#35
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macs just bore me because i cant build mine by hand...unless apple is starting to sell custom mac kits.

	31-12-2002 23:22									#36
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Yes, I also prefer to build my own computers because you can get to choose the parts you put in it and make sure they are up to standard, which I can't do if I buy a computer from someone else. And some of the dodgy tricks I have seen done in the past to cut costs, you know, all this onboard video which uses system memory. I'd rather build my own...

	31-12-2002 23:34									#37
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Holey moley, times have changed! I remember back when (like a week ago) this debate would have been much more... ornery!
"you have to pay for everything, meaning the software... where as with a PC you can get pirated stuff a lot easier"
Ludicrous. I've downloaded plenty of pirated games on the mac, Heroes of M&M 3, Civ 2 (when I lost the disc) etc...
The fact that you don't know the proper channels of how to do it on a mac show what a shallow knowledge you truly have of the system.

	01-01-2003 00:03									#38
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You can build your own PC for MUUUCH cheaper than a Mac, with superior products. I've never heard of anyone (other than Apple) building their own Mac.

Case closed .

(Also add to the fact that PCs, because of competition have better stuff for a cheaper price, and more games and applications are Windows based, and XP is a stable OS...Macs just can't win).

	01-01-2003 00:13									#39
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imran, this is how i think a mac fanatic would respond...

"why would you want to build your own when our Lord Jobs personally creates them with pixie dust, love, and an astheticly pleasing case. How dare you turn down a product sent by God and exhibit hubrus to build your own computer."

	01-01-2003 01:29									#41
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::

Without the screwdrivers, little torches and general arse-ing around, where's the fun?

give me a pc anytime.

	01-01-2003 02:47									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison And Linux eh? Cryptic commands, only really designed for the ultrageek, horrendously long installations, and no, I don't give a flying f**k if I can recompile my kernal...

What you described was Gentoo (or Debian, or LFS, or some other geeky distro). Pick up the latest RedHat or Libranet and call me back to tell how much cryptic commands you had to use and how long the installation took (BTW, remember that with Linux you generally get a huge amount of software when you install just the OS, so please discount the time it takes to get all the third-party software you can't live without on Windows) .

	01-01-2003 02:58									#43
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quote: Originally posted by MRT144 imran, this is how i think a mac fanatic would respond... "why would you want to build your own when our Lord Jobs personally creates them with pixie dust, love, and an astheticly pleasing case. How dare you turn down a product sent by God and exhibit hubrus to build your own computer."

	01-01-2003 03:24									#44
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hi ,

maybe it would be intresting to set up a serious conversation in the MAC forums , ....

have a nice day

	01-01-2003 03:31									#45
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Building one's own mac, eh? It's possible - over in Japan they have hardcore macheads who do it all the time.

	01-01-2003 04:00									#46
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The new Macs are pretty solid because they are based off of FreeBSD but in general I'll take my cheap ass Intel based PC over a Mac anyday.

The Macs seem to sell into the niches of graphics and journalism, and also to fanatics who refuse to use anything else. Outside of those niches it's kinda pointless to use one.

	01-01-2003 04:05									#47
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quote: Originally posted by panag hi , maybe it would be intresting to set up a serious conversation in the MAC forums , .... have a nice day

Does anyone actually visit those forums?

	01-01-2003 11:43									#48
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quote: Originally posted by monolith94 Building one's own mac, eh? It's possible - over in Japan they have hardcore macheads who do it all the time.

no wonder that country has a problem with social misfits.

	01-01-2003 13:03									#49
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Macs rule all, biotches!!!

	01-01-2003 13:20									#50
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Macs are nice.
My only real complaint is that they seem to be getting caught up in style(IE thier mouse, which was apparently designed to hang on a wall.)

	01-01-2003 13:31									#51
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I'll never get a mac for the same reason I don't run Linux on my machine right now. I have my computer for mostly gaming. That's it. Mac used to be a gaming platform back a long time ago but they got real dumb and lost that market. It nearly burried them. Now what they have left is a niche market of elementary schools and people that simply own them to ire the PC users.

	01-01-2003 18:27									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison Macs are overpriced/underpowered compared to PCs. XP is perfectly stable so the whole OS argument goes out the window anyway. And I never found macs stable anyway.

XP is perfectly stable? Ask che about his horror story.

quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison And Linux eh? Cryptic commands, only really designed for the ultrageek, horrendously long installations, and no, I don't give a flying f**k if I can recompile my kernal...

Ever needed to do remote administration?

	02-01-2003 00:57									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Kingof the Apes Macs are nice. My only real complaint is that they seem to be getting caught up in style(IE thier mouse, which was apparently designed to hang on a wall.)

hi ,

then you should get a kensington wireless mouse , they have great style

have a nice day

	02-01-2003 01:58									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger XP is perfectly stable? Ask che about his horror story.

In my opinion XP is the best desktop OS ever to hit the market.

	02-01-2003 01:59									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger XP is perfectly stable? Ask che about his horror story.

1 and a bit years and not a single system lockup. In my experience, that seems to be 'stable'. Now I am not going to do an Asher, but credit where credit is due. I certainly never had this from any Macs I have previously used.

quote: Ever needed to do remote administration?

Can't say I have actually

	02-01-2003 02:25									#56
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UR, 1 story hardly makes a case...

	02-01-2003 03:51									#57
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quote: In my opinion XP is the best desktop OS ever to hit the market.

Surely you jest.....

In XP the UI is far too complicated and inconsistent. Some people remarked that they don't like Apple's one button mouse - that's fine, a two button mouse with scroll wheel is supported by Mac OS X - but you don't really need a two button mouse to use the Mac OS if you know what you're doing (but some people prefer them anyway).

XP has "wizards".

XP needs "wizards"

Ripped an mp3 lately?

Windows is an ugly and inferior copy of the Mac OS.

Windows Media Player is an ugly and inferior copy of Quicktime.

XP is monopolyware - every person who uses Windows contributes to Gates' virtual monopoly on computing and you don't have to be an economist to know that monopolies are, in general, very bad for the consumer (I often wonder where computers would be if the Microsoft monopoly had been broken in the mid nineties).

Windows will soon be rentware.

XP is not UNIX - nuff said.

and

OS X has much better graphics. If you've ever tried to read classical greek on windows you will know what I mean.

	02-01-2003 04:02									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Surely you jest..... In XP the UI is far too complicated and inconsistent.

Alright, as someone else inthis thread said (can't be bothered to remember names) we have to give credit where credit is due. The XP User interface is too COMPLICATED?! There wasn't a thing I couldn't do (barring the entire system crashing. Then I couldnt do much)

quote: XP has "wizards".

I'm sure your new MAC OS has "wizards" or something to help the new user.

quote: XP needs "wizards"

No, it only means you need wizards.

quote: Ripped an mp3 lately?

No. I have 98.

quote: Windows is an ugly and inferior copy of the Mac OS.

Thanks for the Ad Hominem.

quote: Windows Media Player is an ugly and inferior copy of Quicktime.

Actually, I've found that Quicktime is much more unstable than WMP.....Oh, and another Ad Hominem.

quote: XP is monopolyware

No offense, but I would take "monopolyware" than an Apple anyd day.

quote: every person who uses Windows contributes to Gates' virtual monopoly on computing and you don't have to be an economist to know that monopolies are, in general, very bad for the consumer

Considering the alternatives, this monopoly is serving us pretty well.

quote: Windows will soon be rentware.

quote: XP is not UNIX - nuff said.

Thank banana for that.

quote: OS X has much better graphics. If you've ever tried to read classical greek on windows you will know what I mean.

Better graphics......?

	02-01-2003 04:09									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Surely you jest.....

Surely I don't.

quote: In XP the UI is far too complicated and inconsistent.

Tell me what exactly is "too hard" about pointing and clicking?

quote: XP has "wizards".

Which work well for the novice user.

quote: Windows is an ugly and inferior copy of the Mac OS.

Actually if you want to go that route we could say that Mac is a copy of the system originally developed by Xerox!

Then we could further go down the line and say that MacOSX is an inferior copy of FreeBSD!

quote: Windows Media Player is an ugly and inferior copy of Quicktime.

I've never had a problem with it.

quote: XP is monopolyware - every person who uses Windows contributes to Gates' virtual monopoly on computing and you don't have to be an economist to know that monopolies are, in general, very bad for the consumer (I often wonder where computers would be if the Microsoft monopoly had been broken in the mid nineties).

Spare me the diatribe. If you want to whine then start using Linux and post over with the zealots at Slashdot. You can't use Red Hat though because Red Hat sold out by actually being successful. Microsoft has plenty of competitors. People don't use Macs because they prefer PC's. Plain and simple.

MAC is ALSO monopoly. Why can't I buy commodity parts for a Mac? For a PC you can even buy an entire system now for only $200! But with a Mac you are forced to use all their damn proprietary hardware. Lack of hardware competition keeps Macs price artificially inflated.

quote: XP is not UNIX - nuff said.

And that's good, because UNIX is a HORRIBLE desktop. Yet XP is an extremely stable desktop.

quote: OS X has much better graphics. If you've ever tried to read classical greek on windows you will know what I mean.

The average user reads classical Greek?

	02-01-2003 05:26									#60
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What did I say? There's the UNIX argument. From my experience, Macs are good for two things, and two things only: Audio and Video. If you make your own, then a mac would be handy. If not, then it wouldn't.