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Can any of our loyal EU posters please enlighten me as to what is the best way an American can go about getting a job in Europe? Is it to simply hitch a plane ride and then to start looking? I've looked at online web sites like monster.co.uk but the pickings seem to be rather slim. Can anyone come up with a better approach?

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What kind of job, and have you got a British passport?

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My father is from Scotland so I should be able to get a British passport but I have never taken the time to fill out the appropriate paper work. I assume I'd just take mine & my father's birth certificates to the U.K. consolate in Los Angles but I'm not sure. Would I need any other paper work like my parent's marrage licience or something? I do have an U.S. passport though I know this will not help me to get a job in Europe.

My degree and work experience are both in Geology. Does anyone have any suggestions as to where an English speaking geologist should look for work in the EU?

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Yopu need your Birth certificate, Your father's Birth certificate and your parent's marriage certificate. All documents need to be original and in the "long form" if they are UK documents.

If your father is UK born, he is probably British other than by decent, which makes you British Other than by decent under Section 2(1)a of the British nationality Act 1981. (In other words, unless you go to live in the UK your kids won't be writish.

LA has (IIRC) passport issuing facilities and you should contact them for more advice on exactly what they want...

Don't forget the cheque...

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Thaks for the help. I'll give them a call today.

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Got spare money?

Check out the British Home Office website aswell.

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Taz: I'm alittle confused as to the "British other then by decent" thing. My father is ethnically Scottish and born in the U.K. but he immigraited to the U.S. with his parent's in the late 1940's. Would he have lost his British citizenship or does the U.K. allow people to be "duel nationals" like the U.S. does?

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Buy a plot of land, say you are a farmer, and watch as the money starts to come in.
PS You dont even need to farm.

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Taz: I'm a little confused as to the "British other then by decent" thing. My father is ethnically Scottish and born in the U.K. but he immigraited to the U.S. with his parent's in the late 1940's. Would he have lost his British citizenship or does the U.K. allow people to be "duel nationals" like the U.S. does?


Believe me nothing is straightforward in Nationality law. Basically it means that your father can pass his nationality down because his nationality comes from something other than his father (in this case his place of birth).

The UK allows dual nationality although the US doesn't (there are some exceptions because they now allow you to keep your nationality of Birth if you later become a US Citizen). Your father would have been required to renounce his British Citizenship when he became American (this was only a recent change) but this doesn't count in the UK because an oath in an American court isn't valid to renounce nationality. (You need to go to a consulate and make a special oath to do that). The upshot is you should still be entitled to British Citizenship.

Given the problems of the INS getting shirty when US Citizens takes out two nationalities you may wish to discuss the possibilities of obtaining a "Certificate of Entitlement to the Right of Abode" (COE) in your US passport which means the same as nationality but doesn't tip off the INS that you have taken up your right to British Citizenship. The flies in the ointment with this thiough is that I can't remember if the rules of entitlement to a COE are the same for non-commonwealth citizens - although I have seen Americans with them before but also they aren't recognised on the continent so you would still need a British passport to live in Europe. Also a COE costs £100 (IIRC) but you only pay for the first one and all subsequent transfers into new passports are free.

Please PM if you have any other questions as I'm right on the edge of what I can talk about on a public website (being a civil servant and all that).

Your source of advice should be the Consulate BTW not the Home Office. Check out the FCO website for basic details.

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Buy a plot of land, say you are a farmer, and watch as the money starts to come in.
PS You dont even need to farm.

You nailed it.
Say that you're a tobacco farmer for maximum money.

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I have one hint for you, and believe me. Avoid Finland at all cost.. no one here has a job. But if you get a job, I'll get sick just to get treatment, paid by YOU.. just to teach a lesson to stay away if you want to be happy .
go away commie!! no foreigners enters this lands!

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Pekka you are funny.

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go away commie!!

And niggers.

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Avoid Finland at all cost.. no one here has a job

Everybody else but you and other losers, to be exact.

EDIT: Smartasses. This post was a ment as a joke, too. Left out smilie, because Pekka also does it.

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why you little... "#&"#&#"½.. Well mr. perfect, what do you do for living?

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Tuomerehu, I think Pekka was trying to make a joke. There's no need to get offended.

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Nah, he's not really offended, he just dislikes me period. That's ok though.. anyway seriously if you're thinking about working in the EU, it should be fairly easy..
not much of a help, but I can't think of anything really hard that could come to your way.

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Yeah, I called the British consulate's office in L.A. yesterday and they told me I should be able to get a British Passport. So EU here I come! The only problem is they told me it will take 3-6 months to process the paper work. At that speed I'll already have a new job here in the U.S.

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That long? .. well if you come to work here in EU, your salary is going to drop dramatically anyway .
I'm sure you could work under some temporary permits or something? Others can help you more, I don't know these things since I already live in EU.. Good Luck!

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Yeah, I called the British consulate's office in L.A. yesterday and they told me I should be able to get a British Passport. So EU here I come! The only problem is they told me it will take 3-6 months to process the paper work. At that speed I'll already have a new job here in the U.S.


Yep. That's how long it takes to get a new passport issues even if you've lived in the UK all your life. My passport renewal this year took less than a month, though.

If your Geology expertise is such that you could work in a University you might want to consider it. That way you wouldn't be limited to the UK to find a job because many of the Scandinavian countries should have a high proportion of English speaking staff/students at their Uni's.

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Takes that long for citizens? What's wrong with you? . I got my last passport issued to me, and it took 2 days.

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Unfortunately, I only have a Bachleor's degree so I doubt I could get even a meanial position at a University.

So I guess it is the U.K. or Ireland. Does anyone have any suggestions about a good place to settle for a year or two? I figure I'll work a couple of years in Europe and then move back to the states.

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Takes that long for citizens? What's wrong with you? . I got my last passport issued to me, and it took 2 days.


To be fair to our valiant civil servants: I believe they tell you to allow several months for the application to be processed ... which doesn't necessarily mean it will take that long.

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So I guess it is the U.K. or Ireland. Does anyone have any suggestions about a good place to settle for a year or two? I figure I'll work a couple of years in Europe and then move back to the states.


The obvious stuff:

The cost of living is very high in London (don't know how it compares to the US), but that's where most of the jobs are.

Generally speaking, the north of England is cheaper to live in than the south. I'm sure PH would agree that you shouldn't live in Hull, though.



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Ireland is nice.
Don't worry about living in Northern Ireland, either - it's not exactly 100% safe, but where is these days?
If you happen to be an Ice Hockey fan I hear it is freakishly popular in Belfast.

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Six months That's harsh.

Ask about the COE - it might take less time to process that and if you are only aiming for the UK it should be OK...

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I've noticed that being nice and having the right words and body language, you can actually get these things worked out fast. Some of them won't go for it, but some of them do, because 98% of customers just complain to them and be negative..

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Because first thing they usually do is ARCHIVE the application or whatever. If you can manipulate them to check them right away and perhaps even send them forward, then you have just saved few months .

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As a geologost you may wnat to go to Aberdeen, thats where the oil industry is.

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Because first thing they usually do is ARCHIVE the application or whatever. If you can manipulate them to check them right away and perhaps even send them forward, then you have just saved few months .
That's not actually how it works. It might be that the papers have to go the Washington for a nationality determination and there may be a lot of appliocations for the vice consul to work through. Nationality determinations take a lot of getting right as they can (in non-straightforward cases) require a lot of coffee and tons of thought to do...

PM me for more detail of how the process might work.

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