01-01-2003 19:19									#1
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Surely it is a dumb question and I'm sure I will be ahsamed when I'll hear it's a game I know, but I was just curious...

	01-01-2003 21:42									#2
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Master of Magic :=)

	01-01-2003 23:16									#3
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ANd what is Master of Magic?
(a bit scared)

	02-01-2003 04:11									#4
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It's a civ clone from Simtex and Microprose about elves and stuff.

More importantly, is it pronounced "M'Ohm", "M'Ahm", or "M'Ouhm"?

	02-01-2003 04:31									#5
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I never heard of this. Is it good?

	02-01-2003 04:37									#6
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It must be if it is "a classic"...

	02-01-2003 06:27									#7
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Not really, but every game in the HoMM, AoW, Warlords, and Disciples series gets compared with MoM on usenet.

	02-01-2003 11:05									#8
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Yes it is good. It's very rich with a lot of ways to play (like SMAC). You are a wizard who commands a city at the beginning of the game. Your city is populated with one of a number of races. Each race has a whole slew of units and city improvements that it can build, including ships, swimming creatures, and flying creatures as well as the more mundane slingers, archers, pikemen, swordsmen etc.

The other really great thing about the game is the magic system, which is quite complex and rich. There are various schools of magic, each of which has its own spells. You research spells much like you would tech in other civ type games. You also have heroes (like MOO 2) who fight for you, and they can be assigned magical weapons that you find around the map (after you take out whatever was guarding them). You can also design and build your own weapons if you wish.

You compete on a more or less even basis with other Wizard led clans, conquering and building an empire. Combat is done via a tactical submodule (you can optionally let the computer resolve the battle if you wish) where you fight on a map of the square which is being attacked.

It's a good game even by today's standards, and I wouldn't mind if it was merely upgraded for todays machines and graphics, especially as I have seen how a complete redesign can really suck (Civ 3, MOO 3?).

	02-01-2003 11:44									#9
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Oh yes, Master of Magic is a very good game. I'm still hooked on it - pretty much for the reasons sikander mentioned.

The last time I checked the game was freeware (at http://www.the-underdogs.org/ )

It is a DOS-game, so you'll propably need a dos-boot in your pc (or an older pc )

Great game

	02-01-2003 11:49									#10
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It's been out for something like 8 or 9 years now, and I still play it quite often.

	02-01-2003 13:02									#11
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Thank You all. The description - kill me if I'm wrong - reminds me a bit of Heroes. That means that i will like it probably.

	03-01-2003 04:53									#12
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quote: Originally posted by St Leo Not really, but every game in the HoMM, AoW, Warlords, and Disciples series gets compared with MoM on usenet.

It is better than any of these games mentioned. It is deeper than most TBS games, actually.

But, if you know how, it's fairly easy to beat, even on impossible.

ACK!

	03-01-2003 11:29									#13
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Yep, it's pretty easy, but very fun game

And you can make it very difficult with a custom wizard - just give a lot of different retorts and only a few books... you won't get any great spells (unless you get lucky).

One of the hardest games I've had so far:
I was a myrran wizard with alchemy, famous, charismatic and archmage retorts, and one book of life, chaos and nature (IIRC). The race was orcs (no bonuses/negatives, no very good units).
It was quite a challenge due to the lame race...

	10-03-2003 07:59									#14
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Well, its not a bad game, but its not as good as Age of Wonders. Unfortunately MoM was buggy and some stuff was never fixed. It just pissed me off that disenchant area would wipe out all your unit enchantments, even if they had spell lock. I hated the cracks call spell, a 25% chance to kill any unit no matter what defense you had. Plus the ai was dumb as dirt. Even on impossible, all you needed was one killer stack and the ai just couldn't deal with you. There should have been a limit as to how many heroes you could group together.

Some of the units were cool, my favorite units where gold medal or champion slingers with adamantium weapons. There was a chaos spell that could make them fly. Damn, they could kill anything. The other cool unit I had was an undead archangel. It was tough to get. I had to hit an arch angel with some powerful lifestealing units and it became undead with 40 points of death magic it could use.

Well, ok, it was a great game that soaked up many hours, but the ai just wasn't as good as civII and you could really abuse the tactical combat. Age of Wonders is still a better game and you can play mp and use it in windows. Also, the lack of a map editor really cut into the replay value of MoM.

Unfortunately, MoM2 will probably suck. It seems like every sequel coming out now is just too complicated or they get lost in their improved graphics and fail to find the gameplay.

	10-03-2003 08:09									#15
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Well, well, well, the greatest game of all time: Master of Magic.

Interesting trivia: MoM is the game most requested to have a sequel every year since it's release throughout the entire life of Microprose!

K

	30-03-2003 11:39									#16
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when you read the descriptions, you might get a bit intimidated, but this is a LOT like Civ.

No tech, just spell research
instead of choosing between shields, coins and beakers, it's mana, research and skill (how much you can cast per turn).
to get the higher level units, you need certain buildings instead of tech.

now you can go and play. and get your butt handed to you because you don't get the magic. don't worry, nobody knows everything you can do with magic. I've been playing for years and tried any number of things, and my jaw fell when I read about an undead archangel like frogman said. Man, I gotta try that....

Fantastic game, and if you can't download it, I'll send you a copy.

	31-03-2003 21:52									#17
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Frogman
Well, its not a bad game, but its not as good as Age of Wonders.
Even on impossible, all you needed was one killer stack and the ai just couldn't deal with you. There should have been a limit as to how many heroes you could group together.

AoW is easier than MoM. Try hero w/vampiric, 2x move, all enchants... But most important, Aow simply not fun. Well, it's like Warlords, but more unbalanced IMHO. And really you don't have choices in in AoW.

In MoM you can win using high-level magic spells (Dragons, Armageddon etc.), win with heroes (i like Torin, Warrax and Allora), play rushes (Wraiths, Chaos Spawn, Torin), highly-enchanted common units (Halfling Slingers, Paladins, Warships), builder-style (Stream of Life), gain advantage in start of the game (Low-lvl efficient spells, node rushing, Artificer etc.). Well, it's one of the several games i like to play, not to win. Gameplay is one of the best.

FuN OwnZ

	01-04-2003 16:19									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Heresson It must be if it is "a classic"...

Ah MoM is a real classic and a jewel. It may be a little bit outdated compared to games today but when you get the opportunity to buy it at a low price you should act. It's kinda like Civ in a fantasy universe. With orc, elves, trolls and the good old humans. Thousands of spells to be researched and a world of it's own.

	03-04-2003 11:07									#19
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Even if you get a copy, I understand its tough to get it to work in anything newer than windows 95 which still had a dos base. If I ever wanted to bring it out again, I'd probably dust off my old laptop that ran windows 3.1.

	03-04-2003 11:12									#20
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I have three Win 98 machines that run MOM just fine. One of them needs the sound configured off, but I think if I took the trouble to try all possible combinations of device number and IRQ, I'd find one that worked.

	03-04-2003 18:00									#21
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Sound configured off will allow it to be played on Win98, which I have. Getting the sound to work may be an issue if you have a newer sound card.

if you have sound in dos games now, you can probably get sound in MOM.

I got rid of my newer sound card and reinstalled the old one so I could have sound in DOS games.

	08-04-2003 00:15									#22
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Programmers unite and make us a FreeMoM!

This game and MoO are two of the classics I still play from time to time, when I'm in a nostalgic mood.