01-01-2003 22:14									#1
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Chock full of Rooskies. If they join NATO will the feel emboldened to throw the Russians out?

Erm, they're not in NATO yet are they? Too close to St Petersburg for comfort I'd guess...

Is the Russian mafia a problem for these knights of old?

Where is Saras anyway?

Any other Apolytoners from these baltic countries?

	01-01-2003 22:16									#2
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Poor troll.

	01-01-2003 22:20									#3
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Lancer, they were admitted to Nato.

	01-01-2003 22:26									#4
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We were invited to Nato and EU in late 2002, and will likely be there by 2004.

	01-01-2003 22:29									#5
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Good! Our jump off point will move deep into the Rooskie heartland!

In 2004 Chris

Taz, why is this a troll to you?

	01-01-2003 22:30									#6
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Solver is right.

Russian mafia is not a problem in Lithuania, it is often recognised as one of few former communist states where Russian mafia has almost no power.

I believe there are 3 Apolytoners from Baltic States:
2 from Lithuania (me (Sonic) and Saras)
1 from Latvia (Solver)
0 from Estonia

In Lithuania there are about 8% of "rooskies". Not so much, although I am not comfortable with them...

	01-01-2003 22:33									#7
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There is one more from Latvia, but he's not a frequent poster unlike Sonic, Saras and me.

There are lots of Russians in Latvia, though, and I got to say that Russia hates us.

	01-01-2003 22:37									#8
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I would not feel comfortable with a population of invaders from the bad old days either. They forced their way in, can't you assist them on their way back out once NATO takes over?

	01-01-2003 22:42									#9
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That would make us a police state if we kicked them all out.

Right now though, the Russian population in Latvia is a political concern to me. I mean, we're going to have a referendum on joining the EU in September, and many Russians will most probably vote against it, which might doom our chances of joining EU.

	01-01-2003 22:46									#10
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Are not 51% of the population of Latvia actually Russian (although are non-citizens allowed to vote?)?

	01-01-2003 22:49									#11
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No, Russians are less than 50% now. But I can't actually call them a "minority".

Non-citizens aren't allowed to vote, but many Russians have gained citizenship in the last years.

	01-01-2003 23:39									#12
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Does anyone here really think that NATO would approve of any member undertaking a mass expulsion of part of its population? I, for one, think that NATO would not approve. There was a considerable brouhaha in the 1970s when West Germany tried to send large numbers of guest workers home.

	01-01-2003 23:49									#13
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Doc, screw the brouhaha, han't Bush tought you anything?

	01-01-2003 23:56									#14
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Taz, from all former states only in Belarus the main nation is a minority I believe.

Percents of main nations and Russians in former Soviet countries (excluding Russia); stars (*) means that in a country Russian language is used in everyday bussines even by non-russians, two stars (**) means that the local language is almost non-existant anymore:

Armenia: 93%; 2%
Azerbaijan: 90%; 2.5%
Lithuania: 80.6%; 8.7%
Uzbekistan*: 80%; 5.5%
Turkmenistan*: 77%; 6.7%
Ukraine**: 73%; 22%
Georgia: 70.1%; 6.3%
Estonia: 65.3%; 28.1%
Tajikistan*: 64.9%; 3.5%
Moldova*: 64.5%; 13%
Latvia: 57.7%; 29.6%
Kazakhstan**: 53.4%; 30%
Kyrgystan**: 52.4%; 18%

	02-01-2003 00:03									#15
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Dr Stranglelove is probably right, but I think that if country would be in key position than NATO would support it whatever crimesi t would do... However, position of Baltic States isn't so strategic.

I do agree however that Russians should be expelled from Lithuania (ones who moved here since 1940)...

	02-01-2003 00:07									#16
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Sonic, that's not good. Might I suggest a bout of rampant nationalism and reeducation? Surely the original languages in those countries whose language is secondary can be retaught? Are thousands of years of history to be forgotten?

Remember the Welsh...

Who?

Exactly...

	02-01-2003 01:20									#17
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On the map there appears to be a tiny chunk of Russia which is cut off from the main part after independence of the Baltic states. How does that work? Does Russia get guaranteed land access to that region similar to West Berlin during the Cold War? Or is it not an issue?

	02-01-2003 01:26									#18
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quote: On the map there appears to be a tiny chunk of Russia which is cut off from the main part after independence of the Baltic states. How does that work? Does Russia get guaranteed land access to that region similar to West Berlin during the Cold War? Or is it not an issue?

Russian army held it from Germans during WW2, it got separated from the province
of Lithuania during cold war USSR, now it's known as 'Kaliningrad', if that's what you mean...
They had some talks about special passports with EU few months ago...

	02-01-2003 01:36									#19
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RedFred, yes, they moves their people through Lithuania. That makes many attempts to jump out of trains and ask for assylum...

	02-01-2003 01:45									#20
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Lancer, probably it would be impossible to recreate those languages... There are either still many Russians, either situation is something like in Ireland - people are taught the state language in schools but still doesn't uses it anymore.

The only possible way to re-create those languages would probably be a forced teaching of them for all the people, requirement to learn them for any job requiring contact with people, and fining or even taking licence from companies which employ people not learned the state language to such positions... I am not sure werether such thing would be popular though, and inpopularity means that it wouldn't be implemented in democratic states. Especially given the percent of Russians and their certain opposition against such laws...

	02-01-2003 02:55									#21
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Is there a feeling of brotherhood among the 3 Baltic States?

For example, all of the Anglo countries (UK, US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand) are especially close allies and have a shared feeling of brotherhood. It's really easy to move between those countries since they share a common language, history, and military alliance.

Is this the case with the Baltic States? We USers all seem to lump them together as being similiar, so, being personally ignorant of their history, I don't know what would distinguish one from the other, and if there is a sort of "allied" relationship that exists among them.

Also please send more hot Baltic women to the USA.

	02-01-2003 03:01									#22
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Russophobia is rampant in certain parts of the world This thread proves it.

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	02-01-2003 03:24									#23
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Oh yes Tassadar, probably in certain countries it is. But Baltic States aren't one of them. My personal dislike of Russians comes from my personal experience and the past of my nation.

Ted Striker, there are about 1 million Lithuanian people in USA so it should be enough .

As for the brotherhood of the Baltic States, probably there is some but not so much...

	02-01-2003 03:29									#24
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Perhaps you can loan us some ball players too now that our international teams officially SUCK.

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	02-01-2003 04:27									#25
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I was born in Latvia and lived there until I was 11.

Sonic, that's not good. Might I suggest a bout of rampant nationalism and reeducation? Surely the original languages in those countries whose language is secondary can be retaught?

No, they should all be learning English en masse.

Are thousands of years of history to be forgotten?

What does language have to do with history?

Is there a feeling of brotherhood among the 3 Baltic States?
For example, all of the Anglo countries (UK, US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand) are especially close allies and have a shared feeling of brotherhood. It's really easy to move between those countries since they share a common language, history, and military alliance.

There is, but you should keep in mind that "Baltic" in this case is a geographic definition. Estonia's language is from the Ugro-Finnish, rather than Baltic, family.

	02-01-2003 21:01									#26
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Screw englis, teach em American!

	02-01-2003 21:10									#27
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quote: I was born in Latvia and lived there until I was 11.

Really? Where exactly were you born and lived?

	02-01-2003 21:17									#28
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what is the situation with the respect of human rights of the Russian minority?

I hear the balitcs are mistreating them in a major way.

	02-01-2003 21:22									#29
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That's Russian propaganda Paiktis, I dare say. There's no major or any other mistreat of Russian minorities. It started a few years ago when police here used force to dissolve (?) an illegal strike, in which mostly russians have been participating.

Russia proceeded to announce that severe beatings of Russians by police are a regular fact here. Bullsh*t.

	02-01-2003 21:24									#30
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Paiktis, in Lithuania Russian minority has same rights as Lithuanian majority. And no force was ever used to dissolve strikes here...