02-01-2003 02:35									#1
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Our Enlightened, Spiffor, has decided that our next tech after pottery should be writing.

I don't totally agree with this, and Vondrack suggested that I post a poll about the tech choice.

One of Spiff's assumptions for choosing writing was that we could trade GoW for military techs. This was just before we got the minimap from GoW which proved that our thinking about their location was completely wrong and that we are not likely to meet them anytime near in the future.

Writing, while being a great tech to open up other paths, actually doesn't provide much itself. I am also concerned that getting writing will lead to immediately following it up with some of techs it provides access to such as map making and literature among others while ignoring Iron Working and The Wheel.

I favor balance in getting our techs especially while we are alone. Therefore I favor getting one of the military techs now or immediately after writing. Given the terrain we are in I would favor Iron Working over The Wheel, except if it was to take longer than 15 turns.

	02-01-2003 02:44									#2
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Ouch... haven't you voted yet, Sharpe?

I have just gave my vote to Writing (reasons outlined in the Discussion for the Chronicle thread) and guess what I see? Two votes for Writing!

	02-01-2003 02:46									#3
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Voted Writing.

While we could find out that we are alone on an island and need Map Making ASAP, the IW woudln't influence the placement of our cities for a while, as we don't have too many choices so far. Besides, IW is probably top priority for some other teams while writing not, so writing could be a good trading tech.

	02-01-2003 02:50									#4
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quote: Originally posted by vondrack I have just gave my vote to Writing (reasons outlined in the Discussion for the Chronicle thread) and guess what I see? Two votes for Writing!

Crossvoting & crosstyping

	02-01-2003 02:51									#5
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I was waiting to vote actually - I really haven't made up my mind yet.

I am not completely opposed to writing but I don't want to leave the military techs for too long either.

Boy this must be really adding to my post count!

	02-01-2003 02:53									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Tiberius Crossvoting & crosstyping

Great! Means we could still be able to have even Sharpe vote for Writing!

	02-01-2003 10:34									#7
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Hmm... I'm not quite decided between writing and Iron Working. While writing opens up more options for the future, Iron is, IMO, one of the most important resources of the game, and securing two sources (one for disappearance insurance) can give you a real edge.

Of course, that's against the AI. Iron will likely be needed to simply keep up in the Middle Ages, though we at least have resource-free Pikemen.

quote: Originally posted by Sharpe Boy this must be really adding to my post count!

Keep going, you'll reach that custom avatar eventually.

	02-01-2003 11:05									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Kloreep Of course, that's against the AI. Iron will likely be needed to simply keep up in the Middle Ages, though we at least have resource-free Pikemen.

Which actually means that as far as defenses are concerned, we do not need the Iron resource at all, as Mercs will be replaced only with gunpow(d)ered units. But I will readily admit that Iron would be nice for Knights...

Oh, a pretty lame post, I know... but I need just a coupla more to become a King! Honestly, this demogame thing does miracles to one's postcount...

	02-01-2003 11:31									#9
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Voted for Iron Working. While I find all of the arguments for writing very persuasive, I feel that locating at least one strategic resource early should be a key part of our plans. Knowing where Iron is can potentially effect our city placements, infrastructure growth, etc, so it's something we should find out about sooner rather than later, in my opinion.

And yes, go post count!

	02-01-2003 21:15									#10
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I voted (or will vote) for writing. Our current situations does not require writing. I also believe that we can get Iron Working via a trade. Of course, first we need to find the other civs....so Map Making is very important.

	02-01-2003 21:48									#11
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quote: Originally posted by lmtoops I voted (or will vote) for writing. Our current situations does not require writing.

Your current situation requires you to take a good sleep, lmtoops

	03-01-2003 01:21									#12
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Ahhh....I'm having a tough time explaining this one

It's the NOT virus infiltrating the forum. The nasty virus slips in the word "not" in random phrases. It especially prays on users names with a capital I (or is it a small L).

I will get some sleep because sleeping is not the problem.

	03-01-2003 01:25									#13
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Note: This post has nothing to do with the thread or Legoland

When does the our Apolyton title change? I'm referring to the titles of Settler, Chietain, King, etc. I know it's based on # of post counts, but at what number are promotions granted?

I did see that after 500 posts, a custom avatar is awarded.

	03-01-2003 01:42									#14
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	03-01-2003 01:44									#15
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Thanks Sharpe for making the poll. I ordered to research writing next, because an order from me was needed at short term, and I didn't think I'd have enough time to poll on the issue.

I think we really don't need IW or the Wheel for now for a simple reason : whatever the place where Iron or Horses rest, the locations of city #2 and city #3 is decided already. And city #3 won't be founded before the next 18 turns or so, meaning we won't have any whoice in our localization decisions before city #2 builds its settler (in 18 turns at the very least, but it will probably take more time, as most people here prefer to build some good units before the settler, making it late for a few turns)
By the time, we can want to use this settler to secure a resource, but this is far from being sure : 1) our land has a poor agriculture, except in the 3 spots we'll occupy; if we find dome good fertile spot, we might want to settle it ASAP. 2) Our scouts may confirm we are isolated on an island. In this case, agressively securing resources would be useless (we'd have settled the whole island before foreigners can come). 3) If we find foreigners, we might want to strategically place city #4 to hinder their expansion.

So, I don't think IW should be our top priority right now. However, if we are to find any neighbour, it should be our top priority for next tech. It will be vital. As vital as finding mapmaking ASAP if we are indeed marooned alone on an island.

lmtoops : IIRC, 30 for chieftain, 100 for warlord, 300 for prince, 1000 for King, 3000 for Emperor, 10000 for deity. Check the FAQ to make sure. And yes, you'll have your custom avatar with 500 posts. Private forums increase your postcount, so don't hesitate to spam here (not too visibly though)

	03-01-2003 02:45									#16
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I'm 8 (now 7) away from Warlord.....

	03-01-2003 04:09									#17
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Arrghh... 240 to go until a custom... Though, on the upside, I make prince in 40...

	03-01-2003 05:29									#18
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I decided to vote for Writing. Alphabet gives us a fairly unique lead on it (remember, someone could have popped a hut and found some erudite barbs), and we don't strictly need Iron for a while (though the best defense is a good offense).

quote: Originally posted by ZargonX Arrghh... 240 to go until a custom... Though, on the upside, I make prince in 40...

The admins should just switch custom avatars and the Prince rank. Would make custom avatars much easier.

Only 300+ posts to go for King. That'll only take me about 100 days at this rate.

	03-01-2003 05:46									#19
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The people have clearly spoken for writing !

My apologies Spiffor for questioning your decision on this - however, a good debate should produce the best solution and the decision that the people want. And as you said you did feel that you had to make a decision quickly - and as it turns out , you choose the tech that most favored.

(I also voted for writing just now hehe)

I still think that we should give strong consideration to iron working after writing unless we do determine that we are on an island or have need for another tech, but as Vondrack said it is common sense that we would make our next tech decision based on the situation that exists at that point.

Too bad we didn't get another tech in the hut, but Gaul should be useful....

	03-01-2003 09:01									#20
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Sharpe....Do you always wait for the clear winner and then vote That way you never lose; that's an excellent strategy for wives. When they ask, "Where do you want to go? Always remain no-commital and she will eventually hint at where she really wants to go.

4 more!!!!

	03-01-2003 09:48									#21
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Wow that was harder than I thought.

	04-01-2003 04:41									#22
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quote: Sharpe....Do you always wait for the clear winner and then vote

Shh - don't let my secret out ...

	04-01-2003 07:38									#23
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Well after Writing I think we should go far map making or iron working or wheel. We really need to find out were the iron and horse are so that we can plan our expansion.