19-01-2003 22:39									#61
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Strategy:
Improve our transportation network = build settlers (roadbuilders) + build caravels.
Fight the Indians (too aggressive = must be punished)
Build temples (hello dave!)
Build Marco.

Main facts:
880: Indians take Rostov and give 50g for peace ( I bet that one won't last long). Spaniards give 50g (trib.)
900: Greeks give 50g (trib.)
920: Barb king gives 150g . Greeks give 25g (trib). Spaniards prefer war.
940: Greeks give 25g (t)
960: Greeks give 25g (t). Japs give 50g for peace.
980: Greeks give 25g (t)
1000: Cloth delivered in Valladolid = 44g
1020: Greeks give 25g (t). We 'declare war' and destroy a number of Indian units.
1040: We take Kaupang (17g + barracks). Hides del. in Valencia = 56g.
1060: Greeks give 50g (t)
1080: MARCO completed. Spaniards give 50g (t).
1100: La Fayette retires (kindly leaving the diplomatic decisions to his successor)

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	19-01-2003 23:05									#62
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I have the save. I should be able to play it today or tomorrow evening.

	20-01-2003 00:19									#64
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@Jrabbit

I recall you were bumped from your spot - if you want to go ahead of me, feel free.

Just be finished by Monday night so I can have my turns

P.S. There is a Mac crisis in the Nothin Fancy game if you have any expertise to share

	20-01-2003 00:40									#65
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No, stick with it STOYM. I'm in an Anaheim hotel room, flying home to the Mac later today. Won't have time until Monday at earliest anyway, and who knows what new famiy commitments have been made for me in my absence...

Re PS, just posted my limited input.

	20-01-2003 00:47									#66
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Alrighty then... I'm on it after my Conference Championships party drinking fest.

	20-01-2003 01:12									#67
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I went to the john after the kickoff return and missed the first TD... so much for Gruden saying they need to play great for 60 minutes. The Bucs surrender a score in under a minute!

GO EAGLES!

	21-01-2003 06:54									#68
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Wicked King STYOM takes over the reins of power. Hmmm, 4 Civs, none of them very big. We're #1 across almost all demographics. This doesn't look like an AC game

Goals: Finish off the Indians - or at least put my successor in a position to do so, given how far they are from our core cities. Shipchain towards Valladolid looks like it might have been intended for Caravans... but it would work with Elephants, too We'll see which turns out to be more fun...

1100: Playing with a higher Lux rate doesn't create any additional celebrations, so we leave it at 6.4.0.

Rushbuy Pikemen in Kaupang. Production in Sverdlovsk changed to Elephant, ditto Tblisi, Yakustsk - Elephant rushed in Yakustsk.

STYOM stares at Moscow for a while debating whether to buy Aqueduct. Well, my predecessor started it for a reason. Rushbuys it.

Vladivostok production changed to Elephant - might as well go after those nice unwalled Greek cities, too

*presses Enter*

Indian Ellie kills an Ellie defending Kaupang. Bastard.

1120: Aqueduct in Moscow, starts Caravan.

Vet Ellie in Kaupang lays the smack down on besieging Indian Ellie.

Tribute: Japanese 0, Spain War, Greeks 50, Indians still mad

Spanish are nearly done Cope's.

1140: No Tribute. Peace with Spanish, ceasefire violated with Indians.

Madrid builds Cope's. Greeks learn Writing

1160: No Tribute, War with Japanese Fine, we'll take your money the old fashioned way

Greeks warn us to stay away from Athens They don't even suspect...

1180: No Tribute. Athens sacked, and we gain Writing

Quick-as-a-bunny, Diplomats are rushed in Kaupang and Yakutsk.

1200: No Tribute. Bangalore bribed from Indians at cost of 426 g.

2 caravans to Valence, 16 g and 11 g Salt>Valladolid, 12 g.

Indians offer peace at a price...

Kharkov founded to keep Straybow interested.

1220: No Tribute.

1240: No Tribute. Sparta captured.

1260: No Tribute. Dye>Valladolid, 16 g.

1280: No Tribute. Madras was in unrest so bribed at cost of 176 g.

Grozny founded.

1300: No Tribute.

1320: No Tribute.

1340: No Tribute. Spice>Valladolid, 18g. Beads>Valladolid, 11 g.

STYOM throws up his hands in disgust and passes the mantle of leadership to his successor, who will hopefully lead us to better things.

Well, those walled cities the Indians have are tough. Wasted 2 Ellies on them on Madras to no effect. On the plus side, the Greek cities are basically defenseless. I've been rushbuying Elephants in Iron Mountain and Vladivostok, to generally good effect. The Greeks have no walls but a nice handy road network

There are a bunch of Ellies near Bombay poised to sack the city as soon as they finish Magellan

And of course, we have Diplos now

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	21-01-2003 07:10									#69
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.............the zip file.

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	21-01-2003 07:31									#70
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Take a look—STYOM's save has a spurious RR track. Does anybody else get this when they load up?

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	21-01-2003 07:40									#71
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Forgot to mention:

1260: Railroad stolen from the Hodads

Seriously, I saw that RR tile as well - and I in fact saw it in the exact same square in the last save (1100 AD). However, when I click on the square, it just says grassland. Maybe a graphics glitch of some sort - I had assumed it was just me...

	21-01-2003 08:31									#72
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Oops, duh! Click on said tile and the map doesn't recenter: i.e., it is a city. I'm accustomed to seeing a spurious irrigation tile when a city appears on terrain we have knowledge of through map exchange only. Didn't think it would ever be a different improvement type.

	21-01-2003 08:40									#73
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quote: Originally posted by Straybow Oops, duh! Click on said tile and the map doesn't recenter: i.e., it is a city. I'm accustomed to seeing a spurious irrigation tile when a city appears on terrain we have knowledge of through map exchange only. Didn't think it would ever be a different improvement type.

Mystery solved I had always thought that it would show as irrigation. Funny, I never see big road-type "X" marks where AI cities are.

I wonder if the RR means something different than irrigation does (obviously it's a city - but why does it not show as irrigation?)

	21-01-2003 08:56									#74
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Canon of behavior of Civ2 code always subject to revision. I wonder how much of it was intentional and how much resulted from unintended effects of some other function?

	21-01-2003 12:50									#75
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[Upper class twit of the year mode]
Do I deduce that the hapless AI has been violated at some cost to out previously Spotless reputation! What utter cads and bounders you people are. A true gentleman would not be seen in your company, sirrah
[/Upper class twit of the year mode]

SG[1]

	21-01-2003 13:45									#76
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Thanks La Fayette and STYOM

Order of Play

SG(2)
SG[1]
La Fayette
STYOM
-Jrabbit
DaveV
Straybow

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SG(2)

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	21-01-2003 17:55									#77
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quote: Originally posted by Scouse Gits [Upper class twit of the year mode] Do I deduce that the hapless AI has been violated at some cost to out previously Spotless reputation! [/Upper class twit of the year mode] SG[1]

I think it was La Fayette who did that first

	21-01-2003 18:03									#78
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quote: Originally posted by Scouse Gits [Upper class twit of the year mode] Do I deduce that the hapless AI has been violated at some cost to out previously Spotless reputation! What utter cads and bounders you people are. A true gentleman would not be seen in your company, sirrah [/Upper class twit of the year mode] SG[1]

[Homer mode]
Mmmmmmm... syrah......
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	21-01-2003 18:23									#79
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D/L complete. Email of .zip en route to rabbit hutch.

Tuesday -- inspection survey, planning. Will be lucky if I have time to do any more than that.

quote: Quick-as-a-bunny, Diplomats are rushed in Kaupang and Yakutsk.

-Jrabbit strongly approves STYOM's growing lagomorphic tendencies.

	21-01-2003 18:38									#80
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quote: Originally posted by -Jrabbit -Jrabbit strongly approves STYOM's growing lagomorphic tendencies.

Thought you'd like that.

Sadly, I fear that acquiring the ability to build Diplos was my only meaningful accomplishment

	21-01-2003 18:54									#81
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You also took Athens, Bangalore, Madras, and Sparta, and founded 2 new cities.

Looking forward to hijacking Magellan's Expedition in Bombay... Thanks for the setup.

I also observe your notes on Copernicus in Madrid. It's SO nice that WoWs are never harmed in the sacking of cities (while other infrastructure seemingly evaporates).

	21-01-2003 19:04									#82
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@ -Jrabbit, Syrah indeed!

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	21-01-2003 20:16									#83
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quote: Originally posted by -Jrabbit You also took Athens, Bangalore, Madras, and Sparta, and founded 2 new cities. Looking forward to hijacking Magellan's Expedition in Bombay... Thanks for the setup. I also observe your notes on Copernicus in Madrid. It's SO nice that WoWs are never harmed in the sacking of cities (while other infrastructure seemingly evaporates).

Well, bribing cities (Bangalore, Madras) doesn't count. Still, I wasn't about to drive the elephant closer to extinction by bashing them to bits against walled, rivered Archers

I believe that Madrid also has Colossus... funny how the AI always seems to build the cumulative SSC city wonders in different cities so as to lessen their value - except in this game, when we can't use the SSC!

edit: rivered.

	21-01-2003 23:27									#84
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quote: Originally posted by Six Thousand Year Old Man Well, bribing cities (Bangalore, Madras) doesn't count.

Of course they count! You added to our empire, and we'll need every one of those shields and arrows!

quote: I believe that Madrid also has Colossus... funny how the AI always seems to build the cumulative SSC city wonders in different cities so as to lessen their value - except in this game, when we can't use the SSC!

Can the AI read and understand the name of this thread????

	21-01-2003 23:33									#85
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quote: Originally posted by Straybow Canon of behavior of Civ2 code always subject to revision. I wonder how much of it was intentional and how much resulted from unintended effects of some other function?

Not to get too far off topic on this one - but, is it possible that it showed up as RR track instead of irrigation because the city that appeared on Japanese maps is a Spanish city, invisible to the Japanese? As opposed to a Japanese city on Japanese maps (which has always shown as irrigation)?

Hopefully one of us will remember to check that later in the game when we have overrun everyone

	21-01-2003 23:46									#86
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quote: Originally posted by -Jrabbit Can the AI read and understand the name of this thread????

If only that were true With an AI that smart... we wouldn't need all these restrictions to make the game playable!

	22-01-2003 03:37									#87
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quote: Originally posted by -Jrabbit Can the AI read and understand the name of this thread????

As long as it doesn't learn how to save and reload we're safe.

	22-01-2003 03:41									#88
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quote: Originally posted by Six Thousand Year Old Man I think it was La Fayette who did that first

So what?
Those Indians were really aggressive and needed some caning. No gentleman should say a word against such a pedagogical attitude

	24-01-2003 11:26									#89
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OK, here it is. Not quite what I had in mind, but no major disasters, either.

Bombay seems to be preserving itself by refusing to complete Magellan's. Very frustrating. I took our ellies off the forest tiles to encourage their proper use. Meantime, found and took Delhi.

Went for trade, not war, with the spanish. As a result, we have Bridge building!

Greeks are on the run.

Mostly quiet on the Japanese front.

Oh, and I have not asked for tribute in the current turn, so whoever is next may wish to play that card before hitting enter.

full details to come. First, I sleep...

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	24-01-2003 17:48									#90
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Downloaded. I don't expect to have much time to play before Monday, so I ask for the patience of my fellow rulers.