04-01-2003 05:26									#1
	Membership Request: Lawrence of Arabia Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

I've just received L of A's descriptive paragraph, so the process can begin.

Lawrence of Arabia wishes to join our team, Gathering Storm.

A word from Lawrence of Arabia

quote: Hi guys I was asked to write a short paragraph about myself, so here goes. This is me, L of A. I wrote an article on REX, play civ3 on Monarch level, and in general tend to bring in a different perspective into things. When the general consensus was that the expansionist trait sucked, I was on the other end of the opinion. Now, people are warming to my argument. The only strike against me seems to be that I have an Apple, and therefore cannot actually play the world. I think that I will bring in a different perspective to the demo game: one which is fresh, new, and unexpected for the enemy. Even thought I do not have PTW, I can formulate a strategy based on what I see and hear. I will now let you into a little secret: when I first coined the term REX, and wrote about it, I didn't even own the game. I've done it once, and I can do it again. Thanks for your time L of A

Voting

quote: Returning to the issue of veto, I propose that any new member must pass a poll, with a twist. Some groups use an interesting approach known as the black ball. In these groups when a membership issue is voted on it is done so with a box containing marbles. There are many white balls and a few black. Each member in turn reaches into the box and deposits a ball into a third compartment. When each has done so, the contents of the third compartment are examined by all. If the deposited balls are all white, the applicant is accepted. If there is a single black ball, he or she is rejected. That sort of system works with a small number of people. It ensures that no one is forced to coexist with someone completely anathema to them. It does require that people be reasonable and not petty with their choices. If we do this, then we would post a poll with White, Black, Abstain as the only options. A single Black vote would deny the application. Abstain would have no effect. People granted admission would see the forum and see the number of voters. People denied would never see it.

Vote White if you'd like to see Lawrence of Arabia in our team or do not object to this.
Vote Black if you have very strong reasons for not wanting Lawrence of Arabia in our team.
Vote Abstain if you have no opinion on the matter or don't care.

If after 48 hours there are no votes for Black, and assuming that a reasonable number of people vote White or Abstain, then Lawrence of Arabia will become a member of our team. A single Black vote would deny entry.

	04-01-2003 05:31									#2
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I don't know what my vote is gonna be, but I do like his letter..

Better say it here too, let's put him on hold for a weak....

	04-01-2003 05:36									#3
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Hasn't he been on hold for a bit already?

In my current, less sober state then before, I don't have the malice that I had earlier at work... white, because I'm in a good mood and I have nothing better to base my decision on.

Hell I'm no one to be claiming others are of "no use"

	04-01-2003 05:56									#4
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I'm not used to hearing that much blatant self-advertisement, but interesting enough to draw a white ball from me nonetheless. He's also someone I've noticed around before, which helps. (And I'm assuming if there's a good reason to black-ball him, someone else will do the honors.)

Nathan

	04-01-2003 06:37									#5
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quote: Originally posted by nbarclay He's also someone I've noticed around before, which helps. (And I'm assuming if there's a good reason to black-ball him, someone else will do the honors.)

I agree... plus I think it's cool to want to join a team perfectly knowing it will be a year (if at all) to be able to see what all the fuzz is about.

Oh, one thing: he coined REX? I thought that term came from Vel... at least he was the big advertiser, IIRC. But my mind is getting foggy when it comes to mega threads over a year old

DeepO

	04-01-2003 06:39									#6
	Tired of ads?

I'm fine with LoA. White.

	04-01-2003 11:30									#7
	Full PM-box? Change here!

I'm fine with Lawrence of Arabia, too, but our team is getting rather large. Then again, many members do not post at all, so having another voice should not be a problem. I'm going to White-ball him.


Dominae

	04-01-2003 14:31									#8
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Dominae, regarding this matter, I think it's time we start PMing inactive members and tell them to either get active or lose their membership status.

	04-01-2003 14:35									#9
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Shiber, I was thinking the same thing (but was too shy to mention it...). I guess we're going to work on the honor system and assume that ex-members will not leak any information?


Dominae

	04-01-2003 16:17									#10
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He likes the expansionist trait, i had to vote white

	04-01-2003 17:58									#11
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Shiber and Dominae: who of our team is really inactive? I know of just one: Vel, and consider him a honorary VIP member, who doesn't have to post, but just gives credit to the team by enlisting (irl these members either are politicians, or pay a larger memberfee... maybe we need to PM him anyway )

DeepO

	04-01-2003 18:22									#12
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Dominae, good point.
The unpleasant (but perhaps necessary) solution would be to start a thread of ex-members in the PtWDG forum to alert the community which players have left / were removed from a certain group. Then we make it illegal to accept people who were previously members of a different group.

Another thing: what if we offend someone when we remove him from the team, and he'll go and spill the beans on our plans or compromise our screenshots?

	04-01-2003 18:36									#13
	Tired of ads?

Well... again... if I count, only Vel is inactive. We have a few members who don't join us often, but those are no burden, and they do post more then once a week. Let them stay, I trust them no to spy for someone. Who we do want to get rid of are all the groupies, who can't access our forum anyhow.

DeepO

	04-01-2003 23:09									#14
	Put an end to popups!

Your forgetting about Soren

If people want to wear the chevron, there is not much we can do about it.
How many active members do really have btw?

	04-01-2003 23:14									#15
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

Where can you tell from the team listing which members have been accepted and which have just "signed up" but are still waiting approval?


Dominae

	04-01-2003 23:21									#16
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AFAIK you can't...

	04-01-2003 23:25									#17
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quote: Originally posted by alva Your forgetting about Soren

Do you want to start a petition to get this lazy bum out of our forum?

Nah, I think we are some 15 active members strong, basically the groupies are those in the list with fewer then 100 posts.

DeepO

	04-01-2003 23:29									#18
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alexman GMT-5 A
alva GMT+1 A
antoniomilla GMT N
Arrian GMT-5 A
asleepathewheel GMT-6 A
Conqueror GMT+2 A
DeepO GMT+1 A
Dominae GMT-5 A
eisey~ GMT N
FrustratedPoet GMT A
gooberboob GMT-6 N
JTFreak GMT N
Lawrence of Arabia GMT-8 N
ManicStarSeed GMT-8 A
Meshelic GMT-8 A
nbarclay GMT-6 A
notyoueither GMT-7 A
OPD GMT A
Randolph GMT-5 A
Shiber GMT+2 A
Sir Ralph GMT+1 A
Soren Johnson Firaxis A
Theseus GMT-5 A
Thoth GMT-5 N
tjordan GMT N
Velociryx GMT A
zeit A


A = Allowed
N = Not allowed

total = 20 peeps are allowed (counting: Soren,Vel,Nye)

	04-01-2003 23:37									#19
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Ok, thanks for the quick info. Everyone appears to have been posting somewhat regularly, apart from Vel and Soren (I believe everyone will agree to keep them on no matter what). Some posters have quieted down, which is to be expected with the holiday season. For no good reason other than to reduce clutter, I suggest capping our member list at 24 (including Soren and Vel). If ever all members decide to start posting regularly, there is going to be a lot of reading to do!

	05-01-2003 03:14									#20
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

Soren's access was intended specificially for the purpose of his reading our threads so he could follow the game from the perspective of one of the teams. It was never intended that he be an active participant.

	05-01-2003 03:56									#21
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

quote: Originally posted by nbarclay Soren's access was intended specificially for the purpose of his reading our threads so he could follow the game from the perspective of one of the teams. It was never intended that he be an active participant.

Sure, I know, I was just kidding.., It would be nice though to see him make a post.

	11-01-2003 06:48									#22
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* bump *

	11-01-2003 08:16									#23
	Put an end to popups!

Yeah... Shiber, what happened with him? Situations are changing, I certainly won't say we have too many people. With all the diplomatic talk going on, we can use an extra pair of hands.

DeepO

	11-01-2003 08:32									#24
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"If after 48 hours there are no votes for Black, and assuming that a reasonable number of people vote White or Abstain, then Lawrence of Arabia will become a member of our team." He's met the criteria, so he should be invited in as soon as it's practical to add him to the forum (and offered an apology for the delay).

	11-01-2003 08:32									#25
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second that.

	11-01-2003 08:42									#26
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So who has the power to add him?

	11-01-2003 08:45									#27
	Increase the size of your Attachments

Still NYE, I guess. In our team list he is still our Prez...

DeepO

	11-01-2003 08:58									#28
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Yep, indeed, that is something we forgot to take care of

Maybe Sir Ralph can send a PM to Mark?
Asking him to change the presidenty.

	11-01-2003 15:28									#29
	Put an end to popups!

I'll talk to Lawrence and explain the problem.

	12-01-2003 09:09									#30
	Remove this text

He's not too worried and says that it's an honor to have been elected.

We still can't let him in without NYE. We need to resolve this, it's disgraceful.