04-01-2003 05:58									#1
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has anybody been pushed into a war that they stand very little chance of winning, and have lost quite a few citys?

I want to know what you've done to stop the enemy getting any further?

Have you done anything like destroyed roads and bridges to prevent them advancing so fast?

	04-01-2003 06:10									#2
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hasn't been proven, but I would recommend making a full-on offensive (screw defense) the AI seems to want peace when it's on the defense, and razing cities seems to be more affective for me. You may lose a few cities, but...

I don't see what slowing them down would be...

My other guess would be try and watch where they attack, and risk putting most units to guarding that area...

	04-01-2003 06:11									#3
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slowing them down means you can find out where the newest offensive is and begin skirmishing them by sending some offensive units against their offense!

	04-01-2003 06:15									#4
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point taken... all of that pillaging would take quite a few units (depending on boarder) to be done in any decent amount of time...

	04-01-2003 06:27									#5
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You could make preperations such as doing it 1 citys behind the front line, and you could leave some squares to funnel your untis through and then pillage them.

I bet it would work in some scenarios!

	04-01-2003 06:35									#6
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How big is your border and/or is this an exact situation you have or just hypothetical?

	04-01-2003 06:43									#7
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well, its a scenario that i mite end up coming accross prity soon, i got ***** ass france next to me! I'm the biggest civ but just like real life Britain its all spread about, i've only just recently begun to get a large chunk of land and its right next to france.

I'm at war with ***** ass big and aggressive America and i think France mite begin to pick on me, but then again tiny india and tiny italy have begun to pick on America cuz of some recent successes on the continent that france is on!

	04-01-2003 06:49									#8
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...ok then...
by italy do you mean Rome?
by "pick on" do you mean war?

is America #2? I wouldn't recommend a war on two fronts... maybe try and make peace with America or get some alliance going with France, or just prevent them from going to war? Do they have any neighbors?

	04-01-2003 07:00									#9
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Nope, they're both mega big, me, italy, india and America all have islands, but France has a ***** ass segment of a meritime world spliting continent, it makes a real hard obsticle to when you want to wage war.

on homeland size rankings its.
1. France
2. America
3. Me, Britain
4. Italy
5. India
6. China (2 citys)
7. Greece and Russia (1 1square island city)

Me and America just had a long campaign against Egypt, france was helping but pulled out. I managed to quickly get a foot hold on the continent, and then slowly worked my way through. America got a tiny foot hold after a load of bombardment, but then lost it, they took another foot hold and then got their old one back, by now i'd take over all of Egypts industreil sectors, so America was coming up against nothing really by then.

I got thread on it called Decidedly average 2. Its in this general forum!

	04-01-2003 10:10									#10
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quote: Originally posted by HazieDaVampire has anybody been pushed into a war that they stand very little chance of winning, and have lost quite a few citys? I want to know what you've done to stop the enemy getting any further? Have you done anything like destroyed roads and bridges to prevent them advancing so fast?

Heck yeah...LOL. In fact it happens to me alot. Anyway, start production of defense units. Leave some in your cities and then when you get enough, start moving them out into enemy territory. Just keep moving them and every chance you get pillage, just pillage everything you can. Best is the roads which they are using to travel with their armies. Trust me armies of defense units will definitely slow the enemy attacks down. If you can put some artillery with a few of them and move it in along with the units. But if you are far behind in tech they still may end up running you over. You can slow them down though. Get the cheap defense units and many of them.

	04-01-2003 11:17									#11
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by homeland size ranking, do you mean total or just in that area?

and Egypt is destroyed, right?

so... you're gonna be fighting #1 and #2?

I don't know how the AI reacts to a web of MPP...
how do they other civs think of you?

	04-01-2003 17:47									#12
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It occasionally happens when I'm the civ in the middle of the land mass. My standard plan is to kill of some of the wimpy neighbours (so there is less border and temptation to tresspass) and plot revenge to get my cities back.

But then again all cities are mine
All gold is mine, all resources are mine.
That wierd barbs seem to think it's theirs is a temporary matter.

	04-01-2003 17:47									#13
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all the small ones love me!

I'm the biggest civ, but my homeland is the smallest!

their's a map in this thread
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...20&pagenumber=5

Its not very up to date so i'm going to post a new one!

More up to date infomation here:
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...20&pagenumber=6

but it doesn't have a map!
if you can be bothered to read it all you can find out exactly whats been happening.

	04-01-2003 18:40									#14
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heres a map!

Attachment: map 1.jpg
This has been downloaded 212 time(s).

	05-01-2003 00:46									#15
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ummm... which color are you?

	05-01-2003 01:07									#16
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the one spread all over the place, Dark Blue! I did have them islands to the southeast of America, named the Falkland islands, and when they declared war first time they fired loads of cruisemissiles at them!

	05-01-2003 01:20									#17
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looks like the american war is deadlocked without a beachead and the possible french war would mean you'd both lose a few cities, depending on troop placemnt. Do you have your whole civ railed?

	05-01-2003 03:10									#18
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some is battledammaged. And that small pass has a super consentration of units!

	05-01-2003 10:53									#19
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Make peace with America. Fighting the top two civs at the same time is not a good idea. Do you have pictures of where the main battle is?

	05-01-2003 15:31									#20
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Make peace with America, the computer can't make proper landfalls so, unless you're taking the initiative, nothing's gonna happen there, and being in war always effects the war wearines.

Try to build police stations in all cities at your homeland (unless the war wearines effect isn't communal and affects only the city where Police is built and not the whole country) to make it possible for you to stay at democracy while the comp attacks. Democracy is great for defencive war since all your units are at your own lands thus not affecting war weariness.

If you want to take the offense, you should think of changing to communism if the rioting gets out of hands.

Artillery is a killer, in defensive or offensive war. The enemy doesn't like to advance when all of it's units are at 1 hp.

Also the number of civs you're war with effects the war wearines. One time, after offensice war, I switched to democracy and hadn't had the time and money to upgrade my armies fully or better my defences, so after couple of turns all of the civs declared war with me in just in few turns time. My civ was totally shutdown and i had to change back to monarchy while they raced to my cities.

	05-01-2003 18:36									#21
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Turn your science slider to 0% as well as the entertainment one, propose everyone in the world to attack your enemies in exchange for something like 400 gold+30 gpt- always works. Wait one turn until everyone is in war and hell breaks loose then ask for peace at any price. While your opponents are fighting on 4 differents fronts start rebuilding your attack army while giving some aid (gpt, workers, maps) to your former allies. As soon as you're ready attack the enemy's capitol or the biggest city nearby- use a spy or the embassy to know its defences and be well prepared- of course attack without declaring war and ruthlessly crash them! Burn every city bigger than 5 to avoid revolt chances- everyone will HATE you forever, guaranteed but at least your empire will still be there

And, don't you dare to destroy Italy!

	05-01-2003 21:28									#22
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lol, i've totaly pushed America off the Central world, they're invading Italy now, i've been giving the italians extra aircover, and with help from the italians we have destroyed all of the Americans carriers lol!

They used to have 8 Carriers, then it went down to 7 after the first small war, then when we got this World War Americas lost every single one!

Now the Americans have taken Hispalis, they took it earlyer but then the italians began to fight back and pushed them off, but now they have it again!

I'm bombing the American invasion force from Mineapalis or however its spelt!

	06-01-2003 03:52									#23
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Minneapolis

	06-01-2003 04:04									#24
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by the way, that ment my aircraft were stationed at Minneapolis, not the American invasion force! Read more detailed infomation in the actual games thread!

	07-01-2003 17:50									#25
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I once had a streak of unbelievably good luck. Playing as Germans, I finished off the neighbouring Americans, then set off to explore the continent. At the other end I met the Chinese and proceeded to declare war on them. I soon lived to regret it as several huge stacks of swordsmen (I only had archers and a few horsemen) started pouring over the Chinese border, took one of my outpost cities, then started marching towards the heart of my empire. At one point, they asked for (white) peace. Just for fun, I asked if I could have my old city back, and got it.

I still don't know what happened.

	07-01-2003 21:22									#26
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is "white peace" just a peace treaty? did you have any troops near their cities?

	07-01-2003 23:05									#27
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>>>Make peace with America, the computer can't make proper landfalls so, unless you're taking the initiative, nothing's gonna happen there, and being in war always effects the war wearines.<<<

Your kidding right? In my last game I got raped and I am talking capital "R" raped by the AI landing huge amounts of forces on my continent. I still have a few saves from this game.

	07-01-2003 23:57									#28
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well shut up and start posting them! lol!