05-01-2003 10:22									#31
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I'm very much hopeing that this conflict doesn't come to war.

	05-01-2003 10:53									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer Dave: Leave the country if you got no loyalty to the United States...

holy f*ck, was that YOU that said that?

i'll go inform whitey.

	05-01-2003 10:57									#33
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quote: Originally posted by tandeetaylor The only problems with that statement are that the only country ever to have used nuclear weapons and the only country threatening to kill great numbers of people is the United States, logistically Iraq could not attack America, only American troops that are in places they shouldn't be, Iraq was never "belligerent" toward the United States until we decided we should defend Kuwait, and, as far as I know, Iraq has never threatened to attack the United States.

Saddam has said if he had nuclear / chemical weapons capable of hitting the US he wouldn't hesitate to use them. on MULTIPLE occasions.

he's just a f*cking egoistical bastard that wants to be remembered, and he doesn't care to what respect.

	05-01-2003 10:58									#34
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quote: Originally posted by UberKruX holy f*ck, was that YOU that said that? i'll go inform whitey.

Even if Speer were black you'd be surprised how many black people are very loyal to this country. They're not all monolithic black panthers.

	05-01-2003 10:59									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove Even if Speer were black you'd be surprised how many black people are very loyal to this country. They're not all monolithic black panthers.

it's not that, it's his seemingly innate hatred of the system as a whole, now professing loyalty.

so confused

	05-01-2003 11:17									#36
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quote: So you are saying that a country with an elected government should be able to do anything it wants to a country with an unelected government?

No, I'm saying in a war wishing for the deaths of the people from the republic is implicitly supporting the despotic regime.

I may not support the war in Iraq, but if it happens, I hope we kick their ass.

	05-01-2003 11:29									#37
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all the iraquis have to do is lay down their guns and rasie the white flag. no one has to die.

	05-01-2003 11:45									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui I may not support the war in Iraq, but if it happens, I hope we kick their ass.

If we go to war unjustly, we deserve to lose. I get sick at the thought of Bush using our American service men and women as pawns in his political games, but if he manufactures this war like he wants to, then I say that we are on the wrong side and should not prevail.

Until Iraq acts with aggression towards the U.S. or our allies, we shouldn't go to war, period. "Pre-emptive" action is fascist lingo for an unjust attack.

	05-01-2003 12:16									#39
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quote: No, I'm saying in a war wishing for the deaths of the people from the republic is implicitly supporting the despotic regime.

Well, if the Republic is being aggressive and in the wrong, then I guess I AM supporting the despotic regime, regardless of other factors.

	05-01-2003 12:21									#40
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It's a fallacy to say that if in a specific war situation one supports the despotic regime against the republican one, based on the circumstances of the war, that one then supports the despotic regime in general.

I think Saddam is a bastard, I wish Iraq would overthrow him. But that doesn't justify our invading and causing the deaths of Iraqis and Americans over what is, so far, a fat lot of nothing.

	05-01-2003 12:23									#41
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we'll see what "a fat lto of nothing" it is WHEN YOU'RE WORKING IN AN IRAQUI ANTI-GAY CHAMICAL WEAPONS FACTORY!

	05-01-2003 12:25									#42
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What is an anti-gay chemical? The stuff in chewing tobacco?

	05-01-2003 12:29									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov What is an anti-gay chemical? The stuff in chewing tobacco?

i dont understand? do gays chew a lot of tobacco?

icky habbit.

	05-01-2003 12:30									#44
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No, they don't, that was the point...oy, dense breeder...

	05-01-2003 12:32									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov No, they don't, that was the point...oy, dense breeder...

sorry i'm not a gayologist.

	05-01-2003 12:49									#46
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You ARE a drunk bastard, though

	05-01-2003 12:52									#47
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd You ARE a drunk bastard, though

i actually don't drink.

i'm nto down with the social aspect of drinking. things like beerpong and assh0le have me all flabberghasted.

that and the whole social anxiety thing.

oh, and the few times i drank i realized i'm a sad drunk.

	05-01-2003 12:54									#48
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My mistake

But social drinking is fun, and drinking games are better

Stop threadjacking my thread

	05-01-2003 12:55									#49
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back on topic then:

it's ok to kill iraqis because they're evil. and not christian. and stuff.

	05-01-2003 13:08									#51
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"sorry i'm not a gayologist."

i gotta tell the guys at work this one. its a classic

	05-01-2003 13:10									#52
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quote: Originally posted by MRT144 "sorry i'm not a gayologist." i gotta tell the guys at work this one. its a classic

classic uber

on that note i'm going to bed.

	05-01-2003 18:30									#53
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According to the leader of the weapon inspections who were taken out by the US before the bombing in 98, at least 95% of the iraqi arsenal were disarmed by them. So i can not really see how they could be starting anything at all in the middle east. But countries like the US, who have the biggest arsenals of chemical, biological and nuclear weapons in the world, may really be a treat to peace. Not only in the middle east but in the hole world.
USA is not the "good" in this conflict. It is rather the evil. If you take a look upon the history of the democratic USA, all the wars they have fought they have fought out of their own egoistic economic interest. Why should this be any different? They helped Pinochet, Suharto and even Saddam Husein himself to gain power when that was in their interest, why should they not do something similar now if it is in their interest? We have no guarante that Saddam huseins dictatorship will be replaced by a democratic society. The only guarante we have is that we will get a society that will export almost free oil to the US. And that a bunch of iraqis will die. But who cares? They are neither anglosaxon OR christians.

	05-01-2003 18:34									#54
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The 95% satistic refers to 95% of the weapons that we knew about. That of course begs the question of how much of the program did we really know about to begin with? Especially since they've been hiding everything from the get go.

	05-01-2003 19:35									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer I'm taking this a different direction now... assuming you are against Saddam Hussein's dictatorship and that (despite your leftist beliefs) an American-supported Iraqi republic would be at least an improvemnt over Saddam... then the deaths of a certain number of Iraqis can be minimal compared to the greater good of deposing a dictator

Improvements in what?

Living standards? Don't forget the Iraqis had been quite well off, until Bush Sr decided to drop bombs on their infrastructures. Oil embargo didn't help them, either.

Political freedom? What gives you an idea that an US-backed regime will give the people more political freedom than Saddam? Given that the average Iraqi hates the US more than Saddam, an elected government will be anti-US of all likelihood. That cannot be allowed to happen.

	05-01-2003 19:38									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin The 95% satistic refers to 95% of the weapons that we knew about. That of course begs the question of how much of the program did we really know about to begin with? Especially since they've been hiding everything from the get go.

Is that why the US bombed an aspirin factory?

	05-01-2003 21:30									#57
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd In the latest thread about Iraq, I made the comment that if the US attacks Iraq, I hope that the US loses, or at least takes a massive military beating. Obviously, I got jumped on because of that comment. I even got called a traitor (oh no, not THAT ). But my question is, why is it OK for US soldiers to kill Iraqis, but not OK for Iraqis to kill US soldiers? Why is it OK to wish that the US conducts a bloodless (for the US) campaign, destroying the Iraqi military (and incidentally killing thousands), but not OK to wish that the US gets frustrated in its aggression, and takes several thousand (several tens of thousands, even) of casualties? I just don't see the difference. Maybe someone can help me out here.

For once I agree completely with you. I hope the US loses, not in terms of loss of life, but in terms of conquering Iraq, because it will (hopefully) dissuade them interfering militarily in any more countries. What right does the US have to enforce it's beliefs on another nation. This would also go for Bush's call for Yasser Arafat's removal. Bush has not business calling for the removal of another nations leader, any more than, say France, would have in calling for Bush's removal. It is not OK for US soildiers to kill Iraqis, and it is not OK for Iraqis to kill US soldiers. If peace is only present because of a military enforcing it, it is a very unstable peace. If Iraq attacks first, then let us remove those that attacked us, but until then, it is an unprevoked attack upon an independant nation. As such, it is wrong.

	05-01-2003 23:15									#58
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quote: The 95% satistic refers to 95% of the weapons that we knew about. .

Actually this is true, but the same weapon inspector said that they had full control and knew about all of Huseins weapon. So then it does´nt matter. And i trust this weapon inspector a little bit more then i trust Bushs war-mongering propaganda.

	06-01-2003 00:43									#59
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I would just like to point out that Iraq is the one who made the unprovoked attacks - twice. Of course this is wrong. This is why the world put Saddam on probation.

I find it amazing how so many can ignore the facts in their determined propagandistic effort to blame the US for every world problem.

	06-01-2003 02:15									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Ned I would just like to point out that Iraq is the one who made the unprovoked attacks - twice. Of course this is wrong. This is why the world put Saddam on probation. I find it amazing how so many can ignore the facts in their determined propagandistic effort to blame the US for every world problem.

they're pretty good at it, aren't they?

saddam needs to be ousted. can we all agree to that?