13-01-2003 16:20									#91
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So far..

Militaristic = 0
Commercial = 4
Scientific = 2
Religeous = 2
Expansionist = 2
Industrious = 0

So commercial is the worst trait ??

	13-01-2003 16:34									#92
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quote: Originally posted by Tiberius Flandrien, do you like the Indians?

They are my favourite !

Will that make you choose another civ ?

	13-01-2003 16:41									#93
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I don't think so

	13-01-2003 16:46									#94
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quote: Originally posted by Hot_Enamel So commercial is the worst trait ??

Not necesarily. It depends very much on the UUs. For example, the english have an awesome UU.
Which reminds me: what are the map settings? Pangaeea?

	13-01-2003 17:40									#95
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Guys, the last couple of posts gave me a very good laugh! This game will sure be lots of fun!

	13-01-2003 17:44									#96
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quote: Flandrien, do you like the Indians?

Betahound escapes again!

but not for long...

Betahound gets to play as the Mongols.

That means the only UU that is arguably worse than the unit it is based on and more importantly the major handicap of the ugliest leaderhead in existence!!!

(I don't know what Betahound actually looks like so no offence meant. )

	13-01-2003 17:46									#97
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The one thing our choices seem to clearly say is that industrious is never a poor trait.

	13-01-2003 17:57									#98
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Mongols! Great! I thought for a minute there you were going to give me the Egyptians. Whew. OK - if you want to change your mind and my civ, go ahead. I'll let you.

Then again - there is something to be said for being the ugliest ....

(THanks Cerberus...)

Well, let's get this parade of dog civs on the road!!!

	13-01-2003 18:02									#99
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Betahound, Cerberus, Tiberius....is this game going to the dogs.

Hey, I even have the only unit with a dog!

	13-01-2003 18:21									#100
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Well, I guess we are ready to go. Diss?

There is one more thing I would like to discuss. Do we allow "outgame" contacts? I mean, do we consider it okay to, say, reveal/exchange minimaps or give hints where someone else should go to find us?

I am asking the question, because in the PtW demogame, minimap trading ended up being part of the game... However, I do not really like that very much and would prefer having to contact others ingame prior to getting ANY information from them. As if it was some real world...

I will be okay with either way, just wanted to know what others think of this issue...

	13-01-2003 18:30									#101
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I definitely prefer NO out of game contact - until two civs actually meet. Then it should be allowed, as it becomes useful for hammering out trade details. But prior to that - I say no contact - and no mini-map trading.

There were a good set of rules, or guidelines that were put together for pbem play. I think it is in one of the topped files in this forum. It also said no out-of-game contact until civs had met in the game. And no out-of-game alliances as well, if I recall.

	13-01-2003 19:08									#102
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We definitely need out-game contacts, as I refuse completely to accept in-game meetings with GhengisBetaHound

	13-01-2003 19:10									#103
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I have no firm views on this. I would be happy to restrict out of game contact to sorting the details of in game deals only.

	13-01-2003 20:30									#104
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quote: Originally posted by CerberusIV Betahound gets to play as the Mongols. That means the only UU that is arguably worse than the unit it is based on

20 gold gained on every horseman that you upgrade.
I would not call that bad.

	13-01-2003 20:34									#105
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I agree.
No deals until you meet each other in-game.

	13-01-2003 21:43									#106
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quote: Originally posted by Flandrien 20 gold gained on every horseman that you upgrade. I would not call that bad.

And according to the manual, they zip through mountains.

(shows you how often I have played the mongols since I got PTW.)

	13-01-2003 22:16									#107
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Have you guys read this thread - quite good.

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=73721

He ranks the civs in 5 tiers from best to worst. There are four civs in tier 5 - the worst - all are in our game. india is tier 4. The Mongols are tier 3.

So - you wanna give up now? Or do we really have to play this out???

	13-01-2003 22:59									#108
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OK I'll set this game up tonight.

	13-01-2003 23:06									#109
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quote: Originally posted by BetaHound Have you guys read this thread - quite good. http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=73721 He ranks the civs in 5 tiers from best to worst. There are four civs in tier 5 - the worst - all are in our game. india is tier 4. The Mongols are tier 3. So - you wanna give up now? Or do we really have to play this out???

Yep, read it. The author is quite knowledgeable, I'd say. However, you must have noticed that he stated than in hands of a skilled player even low-ranked civs may be fine... just that in hands of a skilled player, higher-ranked civs will be even better...

Anyone here NOT feeling skilled?

I wouldn't say so, as otherwise we wouldn't have chosen all Tier 5 civs!

	13-01-2003 23:13									#110
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just a reminder for myself. I have to go to work. I will start the game when I get home. good luck.

Play Order:
Player 1: vondrack- Russia
Player 2: Hot_Enamel- Koreans
Player 3: Tiberius- England
Player 4: Flandrien- Indians
Player 5: CerberusIV- Spain
Player 6: BetaHound - Mongols

World Size: Standard
barbarians: roaming
Landmass: continents
Water Coverage: 70% water
Climate: random
Temperature: random
age: 4 billion
Difficulty: Regent

Last edited by Dis on 14-01-2003 at 13:13

	14-01-2003 00:19									#111
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Dissident, you also choose a name for the game ?

	14-01-2003 00:23									#112
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Just in case anyone thinks Betahound paid me off to give him the Mongols I have tried them a couple of times in SP. Expansionist relies on identifying chokepoints before other civs and getting more goody huts. There are three expansionist civs in this game so it might give perhaps four extra goody huts. You might get a unit, a settler and two techs and be off to a great start or you might get 50 gold and a couple of maps and be nowhere, or even find youself on an island. Militaristic is good though.

Keshiks are the weakest knight based UU. Lowest defense value and not fast enough to ride around defenders (unlike Ansars). Personally I would be confident of doing serious damage to a horde of attacking Keshiks with nothing more than horsemen that cost half the shields to produce. (Don't hold me to this )

Actually I was running out of non-militaristic, non-industrious civs with poor UU's so I had reached the point of having to give something away. I nearly gave Betahound the Greeks but played them recently and found that Hoplites give quite a degree of invulnerability in the Ancient era.

Defensive? Me? No!

Anyway, it's done now.

	14-01-2003 04:42									#113
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quote: The Mongols are tier 3. So - you wanna give up now? Or do we really have to play this out???

That just makes you everyones first target.
Keshiks wont help you if you are dead mid-way through the first age

	14-01-2003 05:28									#114
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Cerberus - any other advice you want to share. I have never played them. Guess I better scramble up a SP game and give them a try.

And dam. I really like the Greeks. Traits aren't wonderful, but I think Hoplites are great for anchoring your defense in the early game. Guarantees you a certain invincibility - or - makes you the first target.

Well, I have my Mongrels - er - I mean Mongols. I promise to play nice.

Any suggestions for Diss about the name of the game - How about - "Going to the Dogs."

If you agree, I will e-mail him to make sure he gets it.

	14-01-2003 11:03									#115
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quote: Originally posted by BetaHound Any suggestions for Diss about the name of the game - How about - "Going to the Dogs." If you agree, I will e-mail him to make sure he gets it.

I thought about...

The Lamers' Party
The Hight Society
Nothing To Envy
Suckers' Dream

	14-01-2003 11:43									#116
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quote: Originally posted by vondrack I thought about... The Lamers' Party The Hight Society Nothing To Envy Suckers' Dream

Great names

May I add:
Let the Worst Win

Off topic: I love this new quote layout.

	14-01-2003 12:37									#117
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quote: Originally posted by Tiberius Let the Worst Win

In the same idea
Do your worst

	14-01-2003 12:45									#118
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name for the game?

how about: Misfits

lol, I actually hate the quote layouts. but maybe I'll get used to it.

Last edited by Dis on 14-01-2003 at 13:14

	14-01-2003 13:31									#119
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OK game setup. Titled: Misfits of Society. Let me know if there are any mistakes. I will set up a turn sent thread title Misfits of Society.

	14-01-2003 14:13									#120
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Dissident, thank you for setting things up for us!

I guess this will probably be the last post in this pre-game thread. Future discussions to be carried in the new thread.