07-01-2003 00:42									#1
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Please orders very soon. Saves have been coming in on a daily basis, so we should expect something soon.

--Togas

	07-01-2003 01:13									#2
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Madrid Expedition : west

	07-01-2003 01:28									#3
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Pamplona's first unit of warriors should be available and can be moved into position to pop the goody hut and wait until Madrid's garrison is positioned outside the city. I request that the queue for Pamplona be switched to produce a spearman next.

In several turns, when Pamplona becomes size 2, I will request that the tiles be briefly micromanaged to use the cow bonus and the forest tile together. This will give the city an overall shield production of 4 minus 1 that will be lost to corruption. The net 3 shields will give Pamplona a spearman in 7 turns from 2750 B.C. (the amount of years change; I don't know the actual date)

	07-01-2003 01:34									#4
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Slaves, continue irrigating.

Oh well... it is automatic!

	07-01-2003 01:51									#5
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I was wondering how long it would take someone else to start this thread.

	07-01-2003 01:53									#6
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Do you think that the Spanish Empire should have a designated official in charge of starting these threads, señor Dejon?

	07-01-2003 01:59									#7
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quote: Originally posted by oliverfa Do you think that the Spanish Empire should have a designated official in charge of starting these threads, señor Dejon?

I would prefer to see active citizens start them on their own. While we may on occasion get a couple of threads started for the same turn, such situations are quickly sorted out. The more tasks we give to "officials", the less the citizenry feels involved.

	07-01-2003 02:02									#8
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True, as has happened in the SPDG, somewhat.

E_T

	07-01-2003 02:03									#9
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Wise words, as always, lord Dejon.

	07-01-2003 02:52									#10
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Could someone look into the comparison of our military with others?

	07-01-2003 03:15									#11
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quote: Originally posted by DAVOUT Could someone look into the comparison of our military with others?

Well, according to 2800 B.C. demographics, we are in 6th place with 13 years of military service.... basicly: (4 military units)*(10 years service)/(3 population points) = 13.333 years of service.

There is no way to know how many units the other teams have but since ND and GoW should have 3 pop. points each (by Señor DAVOUT's new formula) then it is safe to say our rank in relation to them isn't skewed by radically different populations. Those two definitely have more than our 4 military units and more than us... [edit] if indeed they are not in 7th place but I doubt it .

Of course, Lux could have a higher Military service but still have a lower number of units. If they lost a city, it would mean they could have 2 units and a city size of 1 and have 20 years of Military service.

If we could ascertain all the other teams population sizes we could get a fairly good estimate of where we stand. I haven't the time to do so right this second, but I will post more tonight if no one else has at that time.

	07-01-2003 03:21									#12
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ruby-maser,

Do you mean that the military advisor is referring to number of years of mil service ?

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quote: Originally posted by DAVOUT Do you mean that the military advisor is referring to number of years of mil service ?

Thats a pretty good question. I don't have the save on me so I was going by the demographics. I think the military advisor is going by the sum of attack points (and maybe defense points), and so it would probably be a accurate estimate than Military Service is.

But at the small size of our militaries, would a one military unit advantage register at all?

	07-01-2003 03:34									#14
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Lord Togas has asked me to play the save. Anyone online is invited to the chat room. (#civ3rp Migros)

	07-01-2003 03:35									#15
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It is important to know how we fare against the 3 others, because they see the same thing as us (in reverse).

	07-01-2003 03:37									#16
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quote: Originally posted by dejon Lord Togas has asked me to play the save. Anyone online is invited to the chat room. (#civ3rp Migros)

I cant this night, will be easier tomorrow.

	07-01-2003 03:39									#17
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Save is here. We are meeting in chat now to play the turn. Join us in the usual channel.

--Togas

	07-01-2003 04:29									#18
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Madrid Expedition moved W - can see more ND borders, that do not appear to be from the capital.

TEG moved S
Magyar Warriors moved SE
Visigoth Slaves still irrigating
Madrid Spearman moved W - right below ND Scout
Pamplona Warriors moved NW with Workers

Science Slider moved down to 90% (no change in science or finance)

Military Advisor says we are average compared to ND and Lux, and stronger than GoW.

We are 2nd in game and Madrid is the top city.


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	07-01-2003 05:07									#19
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quote: Originally posted by dejon Madrid Expedition moved W - can see more ND borders, that do not appear to be from the capital.

The 2800 and 2850 B.C. demographics show us at #2 ranking in Land Area (2950 B.C. does not show this but I could not find 2900 B.C. records). This is a concern because someone already has a third city... unless the unlikely event that someone has already built a temple in their second city and the borders already expanded.

Comparisons between the demographics in 2800 B.C. and 2850 B.C. are not conclusive as to who this could be. Maybe GS and Vox are at war. Maybe Lux is at war with ND or GoW. However, the same comparison shows that Neu Theben just produced another settler... so if it is ND that has three cities already, they are on their way to getting their fourth!

	07-01-2003 05:47									#20
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I imagine that we would have heard from someone, GF or Trip, If there was a war between the two of them.

I suspect that Lux is moving their Capitol & their first city. If they had desided that the Capitol would be better at anouther location & that thier first city needed to move a bit, then they might have abandoned their first city by building a settler, theirby moving their capitol to the other City & then moving the fist City to a better Site.

It's just a possibility, but might explain the scores

E_T

	07-01-2003 06:30									#21
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quote: Originally posted by E_T I suspect that Lux is moving their Capitol & their first city.

I find it difficult to believe they could be that stupid. Might as well build the Pyramids as a shieldbank for the Manhattan project.

Of course anything is possible...

	07-01-2003 06:58									#22
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If they had had 2 Cities AND had Abandoned their Current Capitol to make a Settler, then the Capitol would move to the other City. THey might have done this to have their Capitol in a more central location to the area thay they plan to inhabit AND to have it further away from the other Civs, thereby, being better defended.

It would put them back with Research and other things at teh start, but with only Human & no Hell for bent REX'ing AI, it might just be a very prudent strategy on their part.

It could also explain a few other things, like them wanting us not to go north. Them wanting to enter this alliance with us, and their desire to work with us when it comes to the tech tree.

Eta Tamali

	07-01-2003 07:25									#23
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when you abandon a city, do you get a settler back?
or, by abandon, do you mean building a settler and disbanding?

Because, if you were to immediately get your settler back by abandoning, this would be very helpful and could make sense.

	07-01-2003 08:20									#24
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I had meant that they likely had built a settler & disbanded, not Abandoning.

E_T

	07-01-2003 11:46									#25
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even at this early stage, is it possible that one of them has built a temple and expanded a second cities borders, or their capitols borders quicker?

	07-01-2003 12:15									#26
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Interesting hypothesis. Could be justified by extremely better sites?