07-01-2003 02:21									#1
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I am doing a search on the American universities, and I'm very interested in the universities on the east coast.

I have already contacted some universities there (NYU, Syracuse, Princeton, Boston, and a few others) although I would like to know from the various Apolytoners who lives in that area if they know of some good (and possibly not too expensive) universities, which offer some good computer courses.

Thanks a lot

Saluti

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Yuck, the east coast sucks! Why would you want to go there? It hot and humid or its freezing cold. There never seems to be any thing inbetween.

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Well, the east coast is widely aknowledge as one of the best places for universities, so I was just asking if some people knew of some cheaper universities which can offer just about the same as the more expensive ones.

Plus, another reason for the east coast over the west coast is that from the East Coast to Italy is 8 hours of flight, from the West Coast to Italy is 14 hours

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We have such awesome universities in Italy and you're going to fill the pockets of yankee obese teachers :

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I'm also looking at the Politecnico here in Torino and in Milano, and some other Computer universities around Italy and Europe... it is just that I want to have a full view of all my possibilities before choosing which university to attend .

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Well alot of this depends on how much $ you have. All those universities you mentioned are private schools, and there is a huge cost of paying tuition to go to one, though I don't know what scholarships you may be eligible for. Aren't there any good universities in Italy for you to go to?

I see we cross-posted. If there are good universities in Italy and money is an issue you might want to stay in Italy.

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MIT?

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Seems like a good choice orange, but how much would it cost him to study there?

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California has a ton of great school. Stanford, the seven campuses of the UC system, the 19 campuses of the CSU system, Caltech, plus a couple of hundred others. As an added benifet the weather is nice, the girls are prettier, and if you enroll as an exchange student you won't pay any more then you would in Italy.

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MIT: About $36,000 a year, including room and board. This seems like a good price, considering that MIT spends about $56,000 educating its students.

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My brother went to Syracuse, NY for a year. Seemed to enjoy the experience.

Doesn't really help in the comparison of the universities though.

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Don't get me wrong, I wanted as well to study abroad- but studying tough courses in a foreign language where perfection is needed.. that's too much


EDIT: crap grammar due to lack of sleep and tomorrow school restarts after xmas break

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Here is a page that appears to rank grad programs in computer science. Note that while a good grad program doesn't neccisarily mean a good undergrad program (or vice versa) but it's a good place to start (unless you find rankings for undergrad programs, which would be better).

From that list, I see the following on the east cost:
MIT
Carnegie Mellon
Cornell
Princeton
Harvard
Brown
Yale
Univ. of Mass.
Columbia
Univ. of Penn.
Rutgers
Univ. of Rochester
Suny - Stony Brook
etc.

All of which probably have good undergrad programs (you probably want to check out the department websites for the school to see what classes they offer, and how regularly they offer some of the classes (particularily in the area you're interested).

BTW, of the above, the state universtiies (Univ. of Mass, Univ. of Penn, Rutgers, Suny) will likely be the cheapest, although they'll probably still be expensive cause you'll be from out-of-state.

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University of Pennsylvania is not a state university.

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quote: Originally posted by Adam Smith University of Pennsylvania is not a state university.

Oops. Silly me.

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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin ... if you enroll as an exchange student you won't pay any more than you would in Italy.

I didn't know that.

And...isn't it the rule that if you go to a state school which has lower rates for residents (e.g. the University of California), that after spending one year there, you can declare yourself to be resident and pay the lower rate? Something about the constitutional right to travel and all that.

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http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/co...index_brief.php

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quote: And...isn't it the rule that if you go to a state school which has lower rates for residents (e.g. the University of California), that after spending one year there, you can declare yourself to be resident and pay the lower rate? Something about the constitutional right to travel and all that.

Nope. Residency is different per state, and probably requires citizenship and a verifiable address (ie, oncampus housing probably wouldn't cut it).

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quote: Originally posted by Zkribbler And...isn't it the rule that if you go to a state school which has lower rates for residents (e.g. the University of California), that after spending one year there, you can declare yourself to be resident and pay the lower rate? Something about the constitutional right to travel and all that.

If you enroll full time after moving to the state then yes you will have to pay out of state tuition. If, however, he enrolls in one of the Italian schools he spoke about and then takes part in the student exchange program he will continue to pay what ever he would at the Italian school but would attend classes in the U.S.. I had several friends from the EU who did this while I was a student at UC Santa Barbara.

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Thanks a lot, I'm now checking all of those schools and links you provided me.

Oerdin: you almost convinced me who knows, maybe I'll pop up in California one day

And no, money is not a big issue, (if a very expensive school really outclasses the others than I would probably go there) but I just want to be sure that I would not spend thousands and thousands of dollar for something that I could easily have obtained in the EU too.

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quote: Originally posted by DanS MIT: About $36,000 a year, including room and board. This seems like a good price, considering that MIT spends about $56,000 educating its students.

MIT is a great school. Once you get in, you can just hang around until graduation, no need to do any work.

Plus, the pranks are excellent.

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quote: Originally posted by Edan Univ. of Mass.

Which campus? Amherst?

quote: Originally posted by Edan Rutgers

At New Brunswick? Is this serious? Rutgers suck.

@ Imran.

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Universities all suck! Don't bother.....

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You could come to england and combine EU-status freedom with the English language...

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quote: You could come to england and combine EU-status freedom with the English language...

I'm just taking care of all the possibilities, although since I have an American diploma an American university would have been kind of cool. And my parents seems very impressed by MIT, so now there are high chances I might end up there (if I'm admitted of course).

Although I'm looking everywhere, I also looked at Cambridge, at the AUP (American University of Paris), and many others, but for those I will need to obtain my Italian (EU) Diploma before asking for admission (which means waiting till July, which might be too late)

Now it all depends on how good(bad) I will do on my TOEFL test, and the other tests required., than send admission forms to many universities, and than pick the best of the ones which accepted me (if any).

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